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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:17 PM
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Angry Stillen Stage 4 no power gain

As I drove my back back from OC to Bay Area, I didn't feel much power as it would therefore I took it back to the same dyno shop that I did with my stage2. After 4 pulls...the avarage I got is 286 whp/281 tq. My A/F were 11~10 @6000K rpm. Mine stage 2 was at 283 whp/279 tq. The weather for both time are same (~65F)... Any recommendation ? thanks

Will try to post the dyno result as soon as I can get the scanner to work

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Who did the install? Silver pulley?
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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Who did the install? Silver pulley?
Miller Infiniti of Van Nuys (who also install my stage2)....and yes it's silver
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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Miller Infiniti of Van Nuys (who also install my stage2)....and yes it's silver
Get a tune?
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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The did a friend of mines too, he felt the difference and his boost gauge read like 8.5 or something. Do you have a gauge? Any other changes? I'm sure they wouldn't have done the pulley no map, or you'd probably be blown up by now.
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seriously... why do people pay the money for stillen... ugly *** hood, and it makes horrendous power
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rookie
The did a friend of mines too, he felt the difference and his boost gauge read like 8.5 or something. Do you have a gauge? Any other changes? I'm sure they wouldn't have done the pulley no map, or you'd probably be blown up by now.

Yes, I have the defi d gauge...read 8.5~9 psi but the hp is what I'm concerned....and my A/F is way too rich
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The did a friend of mines too, he felt the difference and his boost gauge read like 8.5 or something. Do you have a gauge? Any other changes? I'm sure they wouldn't have done the pulley no map, or you'd probably be blown up by now.
The only change I made was adding a Nismo thermostat..but this shouldn't effect anything
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I spoke to Stillen service rep this morning...waiting on their tech to call me back
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 09:13 AM
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seriously... why do people pay the money for stillen... ugly *** hood, and it makes horrendous power
+1

even w/ their stage 4 kit, it cant even make over 300 whp? NA Z's can almost make the same power that this kit makes. At least from these numbers. Should just grab a Turbonetics kit
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Originally Posted by rookie
The did a friend of mines too, he felt the difference and his boost gauge read like 8.5 or something. Do you have a gauge? Any other changes? I'm sure they wouldn't have done the pulley no map, or you'd probably be blown up by now.
hey rookie...is your friend's car the FX?...did he dyno his car yet?
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Yeah, 03 or 04 black RWD. He pulled 280hp 260tq or something like that at stage 3 on a Mustang dyno which I doubt was using the correct weight for his FX. He hasn't dyno'd since installing stage 4.
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I love reading people knock the stillen supercharger. It makes me laugh. Everyone says get a turbo this turbo that. Most people here probably have no clue the advantages of a roots supercharger and how they perform on a track. I know several people making well into the mid 300's with the stillen kit. I know I am. I have seen the turbonetics kit and would not think of using that kit. I have seen the heat that the kit generates. If you are building your car for real hard driving the car wont last very long with the tubonetics single turbo. The single turbo kit is basically just a good show kit. If you want track the car then the stillen supercharger is a great option. I know from experience.
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I don't disagree with you on the Stillens merits. But man you're gonna hear it from the turbo boys.
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Originally Posted by kevinbonds
I have seen the turbonetics kit and would not think of using that kit. I have seen the heat that the kit generates. If you are building your car for real hard driving the car wont last very long with the tubonetics single turbo. The single turbo kit is basically just a good show kit. If you want track the car then the stillen supercharger is a great option. I know from experience.
Yeah my TN puts out $hitty #'s at the track, and your IC works really well, much better than our "all show" FMIC's And the guys on here especially MIA dont have over 10K miles on their TN kits with no issues they are all making it up right...what kind of track times does your car put out? WHP? Proof?

I aslo know from expereince my car with bolt-ons would beat 9/10 Stillen Z's down the 1/4
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Alberto give me a break. there is no way a NA Z can beat a stillen SC. With my stage 4 Stillen i did beat cars like a 355 ferrari and a C6 vette. i probably dyno at 360whp and go way below 13 sec on the 1/4 (i was not even trying hard and i clocked 12.8). i beat a 350z with headers exhaust pulley, and all the bolts on you want by more than 10 cars!
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Alberto give me a break. there is no way a NA Z can beat a stillen SC. With my stage 4 Stillen i did beat cars like a 355 ferrari and a C6 vette. i probably dyno at 360whp and go way below 13 sec on the 1/4 (i was not even trying hard and i clocked 12.8). i beat a 350z with headers exhaust pulley, and all the bolts on you want by more than 10 cars!
No way an NA Z can beat a StillenS/C? Ill show you a video of another guy doing it if you want, but then you'd look for an excuse and we'd go on forever. Im glad you've beaten exotics, but thats on the street, $hit happens, people cant drive good for you-race an F355 that knows how to drive and get ready to be walked. Highest Stillen trap Ive seen is 108mph, most Stage II's Ive seen track times from are 104-105mph. The blower is just to small for this motor it runs out of steam, same size they run in 2.2L Preludes...And please post your not even trying hard 12.8 time slip-no BS GTECH's here and your whp #'s, not what you probobly put down....
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Well some can be one track minded, not everyone is 1/4 mile driven, Kevin is not talking about 1/4 mile but rather from his drving the car on a real track like a roadcourse.
Old Apr 18, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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My NA Z had a 50+whp gain and lost weight, while a stillen stage 2 gives you about the same power gain and gains weight
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Yeah my TN puts out $hitty #'s at the track, and your IC works really well, much better than our "all show" FMIC's And the guys on here especially MIA dont have over 10K miles on their TN kits with no issues they are all making it up right...what kind of track times does your car put out? WHP? Proof?

I aslo know from expereince my car with bolt-ons would beat 9/10 Stillen Z's down the 1/4
Actually I have over 20k miles now with the Turbonetics kit. All the heat it generates and my water temp was barely breaking 202 F at Cali Speedway in 105 F ambient temp under FULL BOOST off and on for no less the an hour. Yup my car sucks My car is SO unreliable in fact that three mag editors romped on it back to back to back for the turbo shootout but it never failed. SOOOO crappy in fact that after hot lapping for 35 minutes at Streets of Willow for the MPG a Turbonetics car was STILL pulling strong enough to lose the back end on damn near every turn and do a 2 minute burn out session. Matter of fact the heat is SOOOO bad that even when the host of Import Tuner Tv got in the car at the end of the day after several hours of track time he was still impressed by its power delivery. Yeah its a "show" kit alright. I can't remember how bad I gang raped a Stillen SC Z by but it was enough that the owner pulled off the freeway 5 exits past his intended one and asked me if I was running twins a 15 PSI to kill him that bad. Face it, the roots blower in that kit is decent for off the line tq but in the midrange and top end its not going to even be fair against a turbo car. Even my "show" only Turbonetics kit.



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