Stillen Stage 4 no power gain
Blah blah blah blah blah. First off, this thread was about a member's problems with his Stillen. Second, who cares what FI kit can do what. Get a kit that fits your driving style and goals. Stillen makes an awesome kit, it may not put out the best power, but its cheaper than most kits, easiest to install, sounds freakin amazing, and is fun. How much power do you guys really use on the streets anyway? I have 550whp on my track built 350Z, but guess what I am going for on my G35....Stillen Stage 3. Its still fun and good for a daily driver. Who cares if the TN kit puts out more, obviously the biggest numbers isn't why anybody buys the Stillen kit.
Originally Posted by 350ZNV
Blah blah blah blah blah. First off, this thread was about a member's problems with his Stillen. Second, who cares what FI kit can do what. Get a kit that fits your driving style and goals. Stillen makes an awesome kit, it may not put out the best power, but its cheaper than most kits, easiest to install, sounds freakin amazing, and is fun. How much power do you guys really use on the streets anyway? I have 550whp on my track built 350Z, but guess what I am going for on my G35....Stillen Stage 3. Its still fun and good for a daily driver. Who cares if the TN kit puts out more, obviously the biggest numbers isn't why anybody buys the Stillen kit.
Originally Posted by rookie
The Stillen system should be at full boost way before redline. The Stillen system is a blower, the air is never compressed liked a centrifugal SC or turbo hence the max power difference.
Originally Posted by nateg35
Hey Dr.G...what are the 3 belts
1. the supercharger belt (on top of the blower)?
2. the belt on the sc pulley (main belt)
3. ? and where (pic would be appreciated)
this would sounds stupid but I found turning counter-clock wise (un-tighten) the main belt and this would actually tighten this belt
1. the supercharger belt (on top of the blower)?
2. the belt on the sc pulley (main belt)
3. ? and where (pic would be appreciated)
this would sounds stupid but I found turning counter-clock wise (un-tighten) the main belt and this would actually tighten this belt
the 6 rib belt around the silver pulley.
and the long belt (look down below) it goes around the crank pulley and double pulley, this belt could be wrongly routed , it can easily be mounted and fitted in two different ways but only one way is right. it is very easy to make the mistake, and also it could be a bit loose.
Originally Posted by Dr.G
the blower belt (4 ribs ) smallest one
the 6 rib belt around the silver pulley.
and the long belt (look down below) it goes around the crank pulley and double pulley, this belt could be wrongly routed , it can easily be mounted and fitted in two different ways but only one way is right. it is very easy to make the mistake, and also it could be a bit loose.
the 6 rib belt around the silver pulley.
and the long belt (look down below) it goes around the crank pulley and double pulley, this belt could be wrongly routed , it can easily be mounted and fitted in two different ways but only one way is right. it is very easy to make the mistake, and also it could be a bit loose.
Thanks Dr.G...I'll start to check on these belts
To Mr. Alberto , i do not need to prove anything to you , i said it before it does not matter to me if you or others believe me or not. All the proof you are asking for is in a local forum overhere since all that i said was witnessed by friends with me in the car. so i you are really interested in knowing that i am not BSing i'll give you the website address and you can see for yourself and ask anybody in that forum.
Now for the one who claims 300 whp with only NA bolts on: my friend you are contradicting the conservation of energy law. you cannot get something from nothing. to get more power you need to burn more fuel and with NA you can only increase the fuel injected a tiny bit since your air intake cannot be increased much naturally. And if you get 50hp more it would be a spike in hp over a very narrow rpm range in your power curve, and probably loosing in some other rpm range. With SC you increase the fuel by more than 50% and the air intake too so you get a lot more power over all the rpm range. NA cannot be compared with FI , not even close.
Now for the one who claims 300 whp with only NA bolts on: my friend you are contradicting the conservation of energy law. you cannot get something from nothing. to get more power you need to burn more fuel and with NA you can only increase the fuel injected a tiny bit since your air intake cannot be increased much naturally. And if you get 50hp more it would be a spike in hp over a very narrow rpm range in your power curve, and probably loosing in some other rpm range. With SC you increase the fuel by more than 50% and the air intake too so you get a lot more power over all the rpm range. NA cannot be compared with FI , not even close.
I had the Stillen stage 4 installed on my FX about 3 weeks ago and my experience so far has been positive. Went from stage 2 > 3 > 4 in less than 5 months. With stage 4 and in auto mode, the first two gears rev up so fast to 7.5K rpm according to the stock tach (stock ecu and no flash). As a matter of fact, I have to back off the gas a little at the top to persuade it to shift. No shift limiter kicks in either as I assume this is due to the engine rev'ing too fast for it to catch on. 3rd gear in auto, it shifts by itself but at around 7.2K rpm. Not good and nothing to brag about but I do feel the power increase over the stage 3 which was dyno'ed on my FX35 RWD (auto of course) to produce ~24rwhp over the stage 2 which was a nice increase over stock N/A moded. Needless to say, when I want to go WOT, I make sure I'm in manual mode so not to blow my engine. I received the new bulkier 7th injector and the new FMU tune that the initial stage 4 didn't get. No dyno's yet but will at some point in the near future. Lastly, stage 4 loves hi-octane gas.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I know a couple turbo cars in you area that would be happy to prove that to you..
Last time I checked ('bout six months ago) there were still no legal turbo kits for the Z ... and not willing to lose ride or serveral thousand dollars for some extra horses I'm still waiting on a CARB approved turbo kit.
If you're towing your car to the track then it's different.
Originally Posted by 350ZNV
Blah blah blah blah blah. First off, this thread was about a member's problems with his Stillen. Second, who cares what FI kit can do what. Get a kit that fits your driving style and goals. Stillen makes an awesome kit, it may not put out the best power, but its cheaper than most kits, easiest to install, sounds freakin amazing, and is fun. How much power do you guys really use on the streets anyway? I have 550whp on my track built 350Z, but guess what I am going for on my G35....Stillen Stage 3. Its still fun and good for a daily driver. Who cares if the TN kit puts out more, obviously the biggest numbers isn't why anybody buys the Stillen kit.
Originally Posted by PalFX
I had the Stillen stage 4 installed on my FX about 3 weeks ago and my experience so far has been positive. Went from stage 2 > 3 > 4 in less than 5 months. With stage 4 and in auto mode, the first two gears rev up so fast to 7.5K rpm according to the stock tach (stock ecu and no flash). As a matter of fact, I have to back off the gas a little at the top to persuade it to shift. No shift limiter kicks in either as I assume this is due to the engine rev'ing too fast for it to catch on. 3rd gear in auto, it shifts by itself but at around 7.2K rpm. Not good and nothing to brag about but I do feel the power increase over the stage 3 which was dyno'ed on my FX35 RWD (auto of course) to produce ~24rwhp over the stage 2 which was a nice increase over stock N/A moded. Needless to say, when I want to go WOT, I make sure I'm in manual mode so not to blow my engine. I received the new bulkier 7th injector and the new FMU tune that the initial stage 4 didn't get. No dyno's yet but will at some point in the near future. Lastly, stage 4 loves hi-octane gas.
I got mine installed by Miller Infiniti (Gene Lee)...yours were there too right?. Should get your dynoed to see what's the whp...what's octane gas r u using?
Originally Posted by Dr.G
the stillen starts giving boost way before red line , in fact it starts around 2000 rpm, however maximum boost comes at redline. and Stillen themselves confirm that.the Turbo will not give boost that early but will give boost suddenly.
The Stillen system does not compress the air, there is a limit to how much air it can blow. The smaller pullies just get you to that limit faster, the M62 is undersized for trying to reach crazy power levels. The power you're feeling at the higher stages is from the added fuel and timing. If you need more of an explanation than that about reaching max boost with what's under your hood than I give up.
BTW I have a Stillen system, I'm not bashing it's merits cause of what I have read on the internet.
Originally Posted by nateg35
I got mine installed by Miller Infiniti (Gene Lee)...yours were there too right?. Should get your dynoed to see what's the whp...what's octane gas r u using?
Last edited by PalFX; Apr 19, 2006 at 04:07 PM.
Stillen recommends against piggy back ECUs (their controller retards high rev timing to avoid detonation). The delayed performance loss may be due to the stock controller misreading a faulty sensor and adapting. Has anyone TurboXS retuned Stillen's SC to increase their dynos?
Originally Posted by kevinbonds
It's a fact that turbos mounted inside the engine bay like that create massive heat that can affect the performance of the car.
"oh snap" this place is crazy. what ever bro I dont even give a **** anymore! You missed my point so go bark up someone elses tree. Listen congrats on your setup beat a dead horse I really dont care. You know more then me etc, etc.




