Originally Posted by kevinbonds

I love reading people knock the stillen supercharger. It makes me laugh. Everyone says get a turbo this turbo that. Most people here probably have no clue the advantages of a roots supercharger and how they perform on a track. I know several people making well into the mid 300's with the stillen kit. I know I am. I have seen the turbonetics kit and would not think of using that kit. I have seen the heat that the kit generates. If you are building your car for real hard driving the car wont last very long with the tubonetics single turbo. The single turbo kit is basically just a good show kit. If you want track the car then the stillen supercharger is a great option. I know from experience.

Originally Posted by kevinbonds

I love reading people knock the stillen supercharger. It makes me laugh. Everyone says get a turbo this turbo that. Most people here probably have no clue the advantages of a roots supercharger and how they perform on a track. I know several people making well into the mid 300's with the stillen kit. I know I am. I have seen the turbonetics kit and would not think of using that kit. I have seen the heat that the kit generates. If you are building your car for real hard driving the car wont last very long with the tubonetics single turbo. The single turbo kit is basically just a good show kit. If you want track the car then the stillen supercharger is a great option. I know from experience.

Originally Posted by nateg35

I felt like my thread has been hijacked....haha..but it's cool

Originally Posted by rookie

Felt? It was! Did Stillen get back to you?

Originally Posted by kevinbonds

I love reading people knock the stillen supercharger. It makes me laugh. Everyone says get a turbo this turbo that. Most people here probably have no clue the advantages of a roots supercharger and how they perform on a track. I know several people making well into the mid 300's with the stillen kit. I know I am. I have seen the turbonetics kit and would not think of using that kit. I have seen the heat that the kit generates. If you are building your car for real hard driving the car wont last very long with the tubonetics single turbo. The single turbo kit is basically just a good show kit. If you want track the car then the stillen supercharger is a great option. I know from experience.

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

Actually I have over 20k miles now with the Turbonetics kit. All the heat it generates and my water temp was barely breaking 202 F at Cali Speedway in 105 F ambient temp under FULL BOOST off and on for no less the an hour. Yup my car sucks My car is SO unreliable in fact that three mag editors romped on it back to back to back for the turbo shootout but it never failed. SOOOO crappy in fact that after hot lapping for 35 minutes at Streets of Willow for the MPG a Turbonetics car was STILL pulling strong enough to lose the back end on damn near every turn and do a 2 minute burn out session. Matter of fact the heat is SOOOO bad that even when the host of Import Tuner Tv got in the car at the end of the day after several hours of track time he was still impressed by its power delivery. Yeah its a "show" kit alright. I can't remember how bad I gang raped a Stillen SC Z by but it was enough that the owner pulled off the freeway 5 exits past his intended one and asked me if I was running twins a 15 PSI to kill him that bad. Face it, the roots blower in that kit is decent for off the line tq but in the midrange and top end its not going to even be fair against a turbo car. Even my "show" only Turbonetics kit.

Originally Posted by nateg35

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Originally Posted by nateg35

you're soo right...I don't know how many times I have to answer the question why Stillen.... ....or why not TT

1. I would never want to deal with tuning nor engine built...etc (headaches of TT). My mechanical skills are BELOW avarage so seems like Stillen kit is the only option (...and yeah...f**k the hood) plug & play AND no blown engine yet...not sure of how many blown TN outthere
2. I was told by 2 installers (FI experts on Z/G in bay area) when I came for FI...base on my need, they recommended SC over TT
3. Avarage cost for SC 15K~20K vs TT 25K~30K (I don't know this but again was told by the FI experts)
4.1. I don't live my life on 1/4 or highway racing (I've been running the SC for over 4 months and probably did 120~130mph twice)...but if I find myself interested in tracking/racing...I still would NOT do Turbonetics on the Z/G...haha...I would get a civic and mod the $hit out of it to spank those Turbonetics big boys

Last and will be least that I know that I can change lanes faster than any turbo guys in city driving (where most 80% of my driving) & probaly spank your POWER Turbonetics in the city...def in LA & Bay Area (where I live )

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

How many Stillen cars have blown up motors and how many turbo cars have blown motors? Who gives a *** what HP or times you put down if your kit destroys your motor?

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

How easy is it to change boost pressure on a turbo kit and how hard is it to do so on a supercharger. Thats the real question. Also how many Stillen kits are there as compared to turbo kits. I'd say theres at the cery least double the number of turbo kits as opposed to Stillen. I'm willing to bet its more like triple. Greater numbers provide for more chances of an issue.

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

I realize that, I'm sure we could never get an accurate account of % failure from turbo vs. % failure from the Stillen Kit. But I really haven't seen too many engine failures from the Stillen kit. I also realize the numbers aren't as high as turbo/other SC kits, but that probably plays a big role in reliability for a stock engine.

Originally Posted by Dr.G

Alberto give me a break. there is no way a NA Z can beat a stillen SC. With my stage 4 Stillen i did beat cars like a 355 ferrari and a C6 vette. i probably dyno at 360whp and go way below 13 sec on the 1/4 (i was not even trying hard and i clocked 12.8). i beat a 350z with headers exhaust pulley, and all the bolts on you want by more than 10 cars!

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

I hear you, the Stillen kit is overpriced and puts out low #'s but it works, and issues have been few and far between. I'm willing to bet that an untouched stillen kit is more reliable than a stock turbo kit, regradless of the numbers.

Originally Posted by rookie

He wasn't evening refering to you. That's not how you ask for help...

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

And I disagree but since theres no way to prove it whats the point of arguing. I know APS TT guys going on 30k boosted miles. I'm over 20k myself with 40k total on the car. Not sure what the longest running Stillen Z is but thats the best I can offer.