Stillen Stage 4 no power gain
boost is boost, there's nothing safer about one form of boost over the other when making similar power.
actually I'd make the argument that a supercharger will always be more dangerous than a turbo making equivalent power simply due to the increased intake temps due to the nature of compression in a supercharger creating more heat.
My power comes pretty smoothly too, the difference is, the stillen craps out up top. It's got nice midrange, but top end=not so great.
We should've gotten my race on a stillen Z on video. I lined up with him at 80mph in 4th, and punched it. He'd be the first to tell you, he got destroyed. And he's stage 3
actually I'd make the argument that a supercharger will always be more dangerous than a turbo making equivalent power simply due to the increased intake temps due to the nature of compression in a supercharger creating more heat.
My power comes pretty smoothly too, the difference is, the stillen craps out up top. It's got nice midrange, but top end=not so great.
We should've gotten my race on a stillen Z on video. I lined up with him at 80mph in 4th, and punched it. He'd be the first to tell you, he got destroyed. And he's stage 3
Originally Posted by Dr.G
I race almost 3 times a week, and i meet many people with modded cars and 99% of them are bull****ters claiming twice as much HP as they have. I beat a modded STI once who claimed that he dynoed 450hp by more than 5 cars . up till now the only one who beat me was a Z06 vette stock which has around 440 whp.
By the way i am a PhD. Holder in Engineering, go study your engineering and you will see that any NA bolts on put together (unless you modify the pistons etc..) cannot match FI
NA = headers, exhaust, plenum, cats, flywheel, pulley, crank shaft ... all that is nothing at all compared to FI.
I personally have Stillen stage 4, flywheel, ACT clutch, JWT popcharger, and i WILL blow you away big time by at least 10 cars cars as I did to: Porsche Carrera S 2005 model , M3 (2005) , EVO8, STI prodrive 2.5l, and did beat ferrari 355 and C6 vette but not like the others that i litterally blew away. try your 300whp car with an M3 which is 280whp or a Carrera S which is 300whp and let me know the result!!!! I bet an EVO 8 can give you a hard time.
There is no freaking way in any science book that as some in this forum claim that a 9psi boost gave them 440 and 450 whp , this is against science:
7psi can give at best 345whp with SC and 360whp with TT, 9psi can give at best 380 whp with SC and 400 with TT , otherwise you will be contradicting engineering laws or your dyno is giving FOR SURE wrong results.to get 450whp you need at least 12psi of boost, simple formula: (if 240 is stock Z)
240 x(12+14) /14 = 445.7 with 12 psi and this is theoratical if same internals, so actually less than that.
Go to Zmagazine supercharger shootout, and check Videos, and articles. The Vortech , ATI, Stillen SC were compared. with only 7psi Stillen stage 3 gave 339 whp 5hp less than the others, but more torque. the stock 350z gives at best 240whp, so that is 100hp more . stage 4 gives 120hp more IF WELL INSTALLED. PERIOD.
only stage 1 Stillen gave around 300 whp with 5.5 psi and without any intercooler.
AND for the :" Stop Posting on this thread " i can tell you :go learn some manners because if your parents did not teach you any, I sure can.
By the way i am a PhD. Holder in Engineering, go study your engineering and you will see that any NA bolts on put together (unless you modify the pistons etc..) cannot match FI
NA = headers, exhaust, plenum, cats, flywheel, pulley, crank shaft ... all that is nothing at all compared to FI.
I personally have Stillen stage 4, flywheel, ACT clutch, JWT popcharger, and i WILL blow you away big time by at least 10 cars cars as I did to: Porsche Carrera S 2005 model , M3 (2005) , EVO8, STI prodrive 2.5l, and did beat ferrari 355 and C6 vette but not like the others that i litterally blew away. try your 300whp car with an M3 which is 280whp or a Carrera S which is 300whp and let me know the result!!!! I bet an EVO 8 can give you a hard time.
There is no freaking way in any science book that as some in this forum claim that a 9psi boost gave them 440 and 450 whp , this is against science:
7psi can give at best 345whp with SC and 360whp with TT, 9psi can give at best 380 whp with SC and 400 with TT , otherwise you will be contradicting engineering laws or your dyno is giving FOR SURE wrong results.to get 450whp you need at least 12psi of boost, simple formula: (if 240 is stock Z)
240 x(12+14) /14 = 445.7 with 12 psi and this is theoratical if same internals, so actually less than that.
Go to Zmagazine supercharger shootout, and check Videos, and articles. The Vortech , ATI, Stillen SC were compared. with only 7psi Stillen stage 3 gave 339 whp 5hp less than the others, but more torque. the stock 350z gives at best 240whp, so that is 100hp more . stage 4 gives 120hp more IF WELL INSTALLED. PERIOD.
only stage 1 Stillen gave around 300 whp with 5.5 psi and without any intercooler.
AND for the :" Stop Posting on this thread " i can tell you :go learn some manners because if your parents did not teach you any, I sure can.
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Originally Posted by Dr.G
Hey, you must get 7psi of boost at stage 3 when you are in 3d or 4th at redline rpm. and use good high octane fuel. if you have any problems, check your belts for tension 9you have 3 belts to check), and the routing of the main belt (the long one below). Also the wiring connections of your box must be checked. with 7psi you must have lots of power at least 320whp
1. the supercharger belt (on top of the blower)?
2. the belt on the sc pulley (main belt)
3. ? and where (pic would be appreciated)
this would sounds stupid but I found turning counter-clock wise (un-tighten) the main belt and this would actually tighten this belt
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
BTW Stillen isn't going to be the only aftermarket company offering a warranty on the motor for very long 
....I wanna know
Originally Posted by Alberto
Funny I ask Dr. G for a timeslip $hit even a legit breakdown of a slip and he dissapears-12.8 my a$$....
its okay, we all know until he provides a shed of proof of anything, he's just BSing. that's fine.
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Sorry i did not explain myself. I am not talking about 1/4, horsepower or burnouts. I did not mean to insult anyone, I just have seen first hand the heat that TN kit produces after hard driving. I just meant that if you want to have a reliable car to take to the track the stillen is probably the best bet. Not to mention that it's water cooled so that you dont have the heat soak issues with air to air intercoolers. Now if i insulted anyone I am sorry, it's just that everyone knocks these stillen superchargers and i have to say that on a long road course the stillen has it's advantages. It's a fact that turbos mounted inside the engine bay like that create massive heat that can affect the performance of the car. So for my application the stillen does it's job. Thats all. The few people that I have spoken to about the turbonetics single turbo have all had various issues affecting reliablility. And Obviously if you gonna track the car reliability is a priority. Maybe these people had isolated issues and your car is different so I sincerely apologize.
Dr. G stop with your worthless kills on palsy shifters, you stated you ran 12.8 not even trying and you could run under 12.5 if you had a track near you.
Did you or did you not run 12.8 at a real 1/4 track, no GTECH/BS timers here. If so post your 60ft, 1/8 e.t. and speed and 1/4 speed to back it up, if not STFU about what you think you can do
Edit-Kevin stop with this you have seen first hand TN heat crap, Im guessing you've stood by a TN car on a hot day after running it hard no $hit it was hot, all motors even stock ones are hot, of course it may run hotter than stock, but do you have proof of this heat? MIA has coolant temp numbers for you, I can get some for you as well during or after hard driving-lets compare then we can see for sure. TN cars dont overheat, we havent had any (that Ive ever read about) do it yet, so your "they give off heat I know first hand" goes down the drain unless you provide proof of overheating, otherwise say you dont like the turbo underhood-thats your preference its by no means negatively affecting the car...
Did you or did you not run 12.8 at a real 1/4 track, no GTECH/BS timers here. If so post your 60ft, 1/8 e.t. and speed and 1/4 speed to back it up, if not STFU about what you think you can do
Edit-Kevin stop with this you have seen first hand TN heat crap, Im guessing you've stood by a TN car on a hot day after running it hard no $hit it was hot, all motors even stock ones are hot, of course it may run hotter than stock, but do you have proof of this heat? MIA has coolant temp numbers for you, I can get some for you as well during or after hard driving-lets compare then we can see for sure. TN cars dont overheat, we havent had any (that Ive ever read about) do it yet, so your "they give off heat I know first hand" goes down the drain unless you provide proof of overheating, otherwise say you dont like the turbo underhood-thats your preference its by no means negatively affecting the car...
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Originally Posted by kevinbonds
Sorry i did not explain myself. I am not talking about 1/4, horsepower or burnouts. I did not mean to insult anyone, I just have seen first hand the heat that TN kit produces after hard driving. I just meant that if you want to have a reliable car to take to the track the stillen is probably the best bet. Not to mention that it's water cooled so that you dont have the heat soak issues with air to air intercoolers. Now if i insulted anyone I am sorry, it's just that everyone knocks these stillen superchargers and i have to say that on a long road course the stillen has it's advantages. It's a fact that turbos mounted inside the engine bay like that create massive heat that can affect the performance of the car. So for my application the stillen does it's job. Thats all. The few people that I have spoken to about the turbonetics single turbo have all had various issues affecting reliablility. And Obviously if you gonna track the car reliability is a priority. Maybe these people had isolated issues and your car is different so I sincerely apologize.
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Well then maybe the ones I had seen have install issues, but Obviously the cars working well for you and ultimatly thats all that matters. Honestly no matter how much power you have it's all about whats best for the indivdual. I should not have generalized.