IS any one using this for their turbos or superchargers to prevent detination a high boost, my tuner runs this on his twin turbo 585 cubic inch big block chevy at 1680 RWH on 91 octane pumped gas with no problems. This set up allows him to run 7.8 at 178 in the quarter. I'm looking at buying it, if anyone is intrested I can problably get us all a deal as this system is made locally, works automaticlly and uses windshield washer fluid (cheap) gives you complete data logging and is activated on injector duty cycle.
Let me know if you are intrested as I might by buying this week.
PM Me.

 

1680 rwhp on 91 octane...You are going to have to come back to reality, and quite being so gullable. 680 rwhp on 91 octane is a stretch. The methanol injection sounds interesting, but sounds like to me that his engine runs off of alchol and doesn't run off of gas at all.

 

This is no joke the car is a daily driver and I have seen it run front mount intercooler is the size of front of the car. Go to www.wpgcruise.com and click on profiles and go read the article on the Barn Burner, it is only part of the article, but the numbers are there. Car has alot more than just methonal injection as the motor is a smhidt racing and is worth 40,000, right now he has a 1.8 litre Honda Civic that is gonna make 1000 HP on 100 octane race gas and is still street driveable.

 

You're referring to the Aquamist system.

1680whp on 91 octane is quite a stretch. There are Vipers running close to 955whp on pump, but 1680 No amount of injectable anything will help push that kind of power using pump gas..

With that said there has been some pretty good discussions on this board regarding water/meth injection
Here

 

water/meth injection is the **** !my old civic 1.8 R whit sc61 precision turbo gave mr between 380-400 whp at 16-17 psi on pump and whit the W/M inject i could extract another 75-80whp pushing near 500whp at 22-24psi

 

I just ordered the fjo system it is the most advanced system it seams as it data logs ect.I also got there wide band air fuel it can use two sensers and displays the leanest bank. You can see there stuff at FJOracing.com if your interested in it I will set up a group by with my tuner.

 

Sounds like you just wanted to pimp the FJO system from the get-go. Good luck with your setup.

 

Not realy as I bought my system today it just seams to work great for my tuner and the price was good for what I got 750 CAD. I won't gain anything by people buying systems

 

I just installed the aquamist system..and I run Walmart windshield washer fluid (approx 35% methanol)...
lowered intake temps approx 35degrees C

good stuff

 

I just ordered the Snow stage 2 kit . Will be here Friday

 

Me too. I got a nasty surprise when my freight forwarder wanted to charge me almost 1,000$ to ship a case of Snow's Boost Juice ("hazardous" they claim...)

Danny

 

Think I'll just visit the local race shop for some Meth....$1000.00 !!!!! wow

 

Actually, since you bring it up...

we have built several vipers running well over 800rwhp on pump gas. Our standard TT kit for the viper makes 800rwhp 850torque on a stock engine at 8.5psi of boost with pump gas our shop race car maxed out a 1500rwhp dynojet on 93 octane fuel from shell using a custom water injection system we built - there are no commercially available systems that can provide the ammount of water we need to flow into the intake to make it.

it can definatly be done... because it has been done

that said, i will not put water injection in my own car. i prefer gasoline only.

 

Yep, found it locally, 40 liters (10.6 gallons) for 175$

Danny

 

Interesting statement. You have so much experience with FI on our motors, I would be interested in hearing why you don't want to run WI on your car. So many people are praising WI as a great safety measure (especially here in CA where we can only get 91 gas). I have heard good things about WI on FI applications for years.

I am in the design stages of a Vortech install, and WI was on my list of items.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this?

 

well if you're relying on the water injection to maintain your tune, you'll be in a world of suck if the water pump fails or something breaks with the WI kit.

When you put the kit on, it'll cause you to lose power. So you gotta increase the timing to get it back, or you can choose to push the timing even more to gain power. But if there's a problem in any case, it's going to suck if you're not already running higher octane gas

I'm planning on still mixing 100 octane gas with 91 and use the water injection with enough timing to break even in power, but the main reason I still want to use WI is so I don't have to use as much 100 octane gas cause that stuff's expensive. Also want it to lower my EGT's and to basically steam clean the engine internals and possibly absorb some of the heat they'd otherwise soak up

I live in AZ where it reaches 115 degrees in the summer and 91 octane gas is what's at the pumps normally. There is no humidity here and temps are always about 20 degrees higher than on the east coast. I think I'm a good canadate for running water injection. I don't even need to run methanol or much methanol since it rarely gets below freezing in AZ

methanol can cause a fire since it's flamable. I mean if people are taboo about nitrous being flamable, methanol is way worse cause it actually IS flamable. I'd run no more than 50% methanol. Too much methanol mixed in will actually increase intake temps after a certain point. I'd rather not rely on methanol as a fuel and just run more gas instead even if it means shelling out for bigger injectors. The only reason you use methanol is because it's like 113 octane.

I've also been reading that methanol starts turning into a jelly sorta goo when it sits for a long time. That can clog up your nozzle, or lines, or pump if you run a lot of it.

For me, since I'm more concerned with cooling and am still going to mix a little 100 octane fuel anyway. I'm going to lean towards a mixture of more water than methanol like 60% water, 40% methanol or even more extreme like 70/30 during the hot summer. Partly also cause I'm not keen on the increased risk of fire in the engine bay or the methanol potentially clogging the WI kit. You can run 100% water, but IMO I'd only consider that when it's freaking HOT outside like death valley hot, but it probably won't hurt to run 100% water anyway as long as you don't flood out your spark

Water cooling prevents detonation too just like high octane gas/methanol. Water cooling becomes more efficent at cooling things when the ambient air is hotter and less effectiveness in colder weather

However during the winter here when it's like 50-60 degrees, I might run a 50/50 water/methanol mix since it's going to be colder which means air is denser and there's more boost so running a lot of water means the intake temps would go even lower which would lean you out even more. So instead of using mostly water, I'd use more methanol in the winter to raise the fuel octane to counter the already possibly leaner conditions

some good reading:
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/rescr/faq/text-a.html

 

sentry65 pretty much covered it... that and i dont like added complexity in my cars... i prefer less parts and a cleaner and more simple setup. if i have to use water injection to get to the power i want from my engine, then i am pushing too hard... i plan my builds so that the power i want is still conservative for the setup.

 

Sentry and Phunk hit it on the head. Thanks +1

 

I got my system from Snow with the safe boost controller. If it detects flow rate going down, it will open the blow off valve (or similar for SC) immediately before (hopefully) engine damage because of detonation can occur.

Danny

http://www.snowperformance.net/prodd...p?prod=SI%2D10

 

as mentioned in other threads I have great results with the Snow Stage II kit

I just want to warn anyone who orders it you WILL need longer feed lines if you mount the pump or tank in the rear, the 10 feet line that comes with the kit won't cut it. get a 20 feet line to be safe. I believe we ended up using about 16 feet. the pump is strong enough to support this btw as long as it's pushing