Turbocharge or new GT-R, a decision for many 350Z owners
i agree, kids do throw a MAJOR dent in the funds category, ive got 2 of them.
i have a few months left and my G is paid off, and all my mods are paid for as well, but after its paid off, im driving it until it falls apart, or until the motor blows, then ill build it. i drove my previous car for a long time, even after it was paid off. i enjoyed not having a car payment. ive got the funds to buy it, i just cant force myself to when i have so many other obligations, kudos for those that can.
i have a few months left and my G is paid off, and all my mods are paid for as well, but after its paid off, im driving it until it falls apart, or until the motor blows, then ill build it. i drove my previous car for a long time, even after it was paid off. i enjoyed not having a car payment. ive got the funds to buy it, i just cant force myself to when i have so many other obligations, kudos for those that can.
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I'm still sticking w/ my plan of going TT (someday) and decide between the R-35 or, if Acura decides to make it, the new NSX. Of course, there's a good chance my wife will want to add the Kleemann supercharger in her car too, which will suck my R-35/NSX funds dry.
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Originally Posted by gringott
I don't see the comparison. My Z cost me $23K with 6K miles almost three years ago. A GT-R is going to be, what, $75K to 85K? An average price for a new Z is prob. about $30K. I just don't see these two cars targeting the same market. Tell me where I am wrong here.
As far as FIing the Z, again, no comparison. Prob. an average for TT is around $10K, a SC or Single Turbo correspondingly less. The price difference in the two cars is going to be $50K. So we are comparing a car at $40K to a car twice it's price. Again, where am I wrong here?
Insurance. I didn't see if anyone posted about this. My insurance jumped when I got the Z, and that was stock. Adding TT didn't add anything to insurance cost. Buying a car that costs >$80, is 450 to 500 hp from the factory, what the f%$k is that insurance rate going to be? Anyone even wonder about that?
I have been to four Nissan dealers since I purchased my Z. They suck. Worst dealerships I have ever been to. Warranty work is like pulling teeth. Personally, I wouldn't buy a >$80K car from NISSAN. Not until they do some drastic upgrade in their dealerships, which I don't see happening.
I TTed my Z because I felt it was a little underpowered stock, not because I was waiting for the GT-R to come out.
When we talk GT-R as it is being promoted and developed, it will be a rich man's toy. Like Harley Davidsons are now. Nothing but fat assed grandpa stockbrokers riding them. Am I wrong here? Sure the occasional twenty something crack dealer will have one, but don't most of them drive Escalades?
Tell me what I am wrong about.
As far as FIing the Z, again, no comparison. Prob. an average for TT is around $10K, a SC or Single Turbo correspondingly less. The price difference in the two cars is going to be $50K. So we are comparing a car at $40K to a car twice it's price. Again, where am I wrong here?
Insurance. I didn't see if anyone posted about this. My insurance jumped when I got the Z, and that was stock. Adding TT didn't add anything to insurance cost. Buying a car that costs >$80, is 450 to 500 hp from the factory, what the f%$k is that insurance rate going to be? Anyone even wonder about that?
I have been to four Nissan dealers since I purchased my Z. They suck. Worst dealerships I have ever been to. Warranty work is like pulling teeth. Personally, I wouldn't buy a >$80K car from NISSAN. Not until they do some drastic upgrade in their dealerships, which I don't see happening.
I TTed my Z because I felt it was a little underpowered stock, not because I was waiting for the GT-R to come out.
When we talk GT-R as it is being promoted and developed, it will be a rich man's toy. Like Harley Davidsons are now. Nothing but fat assed grandpa stockbrokers riding them. Am I wrong here? Sure the occasional twenty something crack dealer will have one, but don't most of them drive Escalades?
Tell me what I am wrong about.
As far as many other parts of your post, it is not right or wrong, just not the topic of the thread which is will you keep your 350Z and possibly FI it or buy a GT-R.
Originally Posted by zland
The point of the thread is not to compare the two cars. The point is most people that are on this forum own a 350Z and since most of those bought it with performance in mind, they would also be interested in the GT-R. Being that they will most likely own the 350Z and have no car payment when the GT-R is introduced, the choice for many of those owners is do I FI my Z and have something with higher (not the same) performance as Nissans new flag ship performance car (GT-R) or cough up 70K + for a GT-R.
As far as many other parts of your post, it is not right or wrong, just not the topic of the thread which is will you keep your 350Z and possibly FI it or buy a GT-R.
As far as many other parts of your post, it is not right or wrong, just not the topic of the thread which is will you keep your 350Z and possibly FI it or buy a GT-R.
Really, it's just internet talk about people who cannot really afford it. There is a huge difference in buying a car for $28,000 and one for $80,000. Honestly, most people couldn't afford an $80K car when the bought the Z, and won't when the GTR comes out. Yes lots of people have dumped money into the Z which can creap up to $30K more, but that's usually in small amounts over time, and not a $1200/month payment on a car. There's a reason why people buy cheaper cars and make them faster.
If I could have afforded a more expensive car when I got the Z...I would have. Especially since the Z really isn't a supercar and fast.
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
I own my Z outright and have fronted the cash for all my mods.... approx $40,000 so far. I have about half the coin put away for a 2005 Gallardo. Captain pay is much better than co-pilot pay. It's nice not having kids. 
JET
JET
I have paid off the Z and slowly starting to modify it, on a poor CFI paycheck! whoa me
To be so lucky to be in the left seat again!
Jet, who do you fly for?
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
I guess for the most part what your saying is true. In my situation I have recently had a major pay upgrade and now I'm looking for a used Gallardo. But I love my Z and with all the money I have into it I will not get rid of it. I guess I will start collecting cars like Jay Leno. 
Maybe some of these guys are comming out of school and getting better jobs, or just starting careers. Pleople who own Ferraris and Porsche's had to start somewhere. But I agree most are dreamers. But don't put us all into that category. Joey Kramer of Aerosmith has a TT Z.
JET
Maybe some of these guys are comming out of school and getting better jobs, or just starting careers. Pleople who own Ferraris and Porsche's had to start somewhere. But I agree most are dreamers. But don't put us all into that category. Joey Kramer of Aerosmith has a TT Z.
JET
Originally Posted by tig488
i agree, kids do throw a MAJOR dent in the funds category, ive got 2 of them.
i have a few months left and my G is paid off, and all my mods are paid for as well, but after its paid off, im driving it until it falls apart, or until the motor blows, then ill build it. i drove my previous car for a long time, even after it was paid off. i enjoyed not having a car payment. ive got the funds to buy it, i just cant force myself to when i have so many other obligations, kudos for those that can.
i have a few months left and my G is paid off, and all my mods are paid for as well, but after its paid off, im driving it until it falls apart, or until the motor blows, then ill build it. i drove my previous car for a long time, even after it was paid off. i enjoyed not having a car payment. ive got the funds to buy it, i just cant force myself to when i have so many other obligations, kudos for those that can.
My kids' day care payment and college fund is $1100 a month.
My grocery bill for a family of four is over $1200 a month. I won't even go into the 3 car payments, two mortgage payments (primary and investment home) blah, blah, blah!
Last edited by Gman2004; Oct 17, 2006 at 07:59 AM.
seriously, 65k for a GTR is too much. If you put let said, 30-40K on a Z...it could do what a GTR could do or even better. I love Nissan sport cars ( Silvia's, Z's) but NEVER like a skyline, don't even give a **** if it's a GTR. I think that car is way overrated...(actually i think it a POS). 65K 2 year from now get a C6, which will be cheaper and will kick a GTR in it's @$$. Or better yet, get a 02-04 911 Turbo.
Nice Thread...
Note:
Good-luck buying a GTR when they come out.
Hard to Find:
They are going to be scarce. Like twice as hard to find then a new Z06 or an M5. Not to mention the dealers are going to be charging a premium so not getting many out for at least 18 months even after they get released.
Speculation, yet we will see this hold true.
G35x:
Modding an AWD G35...We are currently doing a G35x. Building the motor and JWT TT. Will let you folks know when it is ready to launch.
As for the New GTR - I will buy one and Definitely MOD it...
M
Note:
Good-luck buying a GTR when they come out.
Hard to Find:
They are going to be scarce. Like twice as hard to find then a new Z06 or an M5. Not to mention the dealers are going to be charging a premium so not getting many out for at least 18 months even after they get released.
Speculation, yet we will see this hold true.
G35x:
Modding an AWD G35...We are currently doing a G35x. Building the motor and JWT TT. Will let you folks know when it is ready to launch.
As for the New GTR - I will buy one and Definitely MOD it...
M
Originally Posted by Zexy
Doh. I missed that. Sorry.
I just can't believe there are people willing to spend $65k+ modding it(A nissan with a VQ) which is just attrociously expensive for what it is
The price people pay for the GT-R name is crazy. IMO the GT-R was great before because of the legendary same sporty coupe look that has now majorly changed in design and especially the RB26DETT.. That is now gone
Sorry.I just can't believe there are people willing to spend $65k+ modding it(A nissan with a VQ) which is just attrociously expensive for what it is
The price people pay for the GT-R name is crazy. IMO the GT-R was great before because of the legendary same sporty coupe look that has now majorly changed in design and especially the RB26DETT.. That is now gone
Originally Posted by MI 35th
I think that after the GTR is released the demand for the R34 will dissappear and the prices should plummit from importers... Maybe Ill pick one of these up too!
The new GTR is different for bottom to top. We can only speculate on its impact at this time.
To get back to the original question: "FI'd Z or GTR. . .?" It's difficult to deliver an absolute opinion based on the comparison. Sure, one could most likely make the Z out perform a stock '09 GTR for the right amount of money. The biggest issue is initial cost. I'm sure an '09 GTR with $30k into it will crush that same modded Z. The GTR will have the obvious better retained investment where as the Z will only be worth much less (which is sad
).We'll just have to wait and see.
Originally Posted by mraturbo
Nice Thread...
Note:
Good-luck buying a GTR when they come out.
Hard to Find:
They are going to be scarce. Like twice as hard to find then a new Z06 or an M5. Not to mention the dealers are going to be charging a premium so not getting many out for at least 18 months even after they get released.
Speculation, yet we will see this hold true.
Note:
Good-luck buying a GTR when they come out.
Hard to Find:
They are going to be scarce. Like twice as hard to find then a new Z06 or an M5. Not to mention the dealers are going to be charging a premium so not getting many out for at least 18 months even after they get released.
Speculation, yet we will see this hold true.
I'd have to see some interior pics and see the car up close before ever saying I would purchase the GTR.
Last edited by roncfpz; Oct 19, 2006 at 07:26 AM.
I may have to rethink things if they have a markup for a while. I have never, and will never pay any kak sucking dealer one penny of markup. The Z06 and Viper are my backups. The markup on the Z06 didn't last more than a couple months here in SoCal and you can now get them below sticker. Vipers are going for $10k below sticker.
Originally Posted by 350Zteve
I may have to rethink things if they have a markup for a while. I have never, and will never pay any kak sucking dealer one penny of markup. The Z06 and Viper are my backups. The markup on the Z06 didn't last more than a couple months here in SoCal and you can now get them below sticker. Vipers are going for $10k below sticker.
