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Old Nov 21, 2006 | 03:09 PM
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Does anyone know where I can buy a misfiring system it is used to stop turbo lag.
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 07:12 AM
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what the he11 is that?

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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 07:22 AM
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Anti-lag, (Sometimes called a Misfiring System in Japan, and a Bang-bang in Europe, due to the popping sounds made when the system is active), is a system used on WRC rally cars to completely eliminate turbo lag. It is a feature of the engine management system. WRC cars are fitted with a class mandated restrictor on the turbocharger inlet and this increases turbo lag significantly. Because of the pressure drop across the restriction, the pressure ratio for a given boost level is much higher and the turbocharger must spin a lot faster to produce the same boost as before.

Anti-lag effectively increases the mass of exhaust fed to the turbocharger. This is typically done by retarding spark timing to a point where most of the combustion happens in the exhaust manifold, typically around 40° ATDC. At the same time more air must be added, this can either be done by the use of a throttle bypass valve or a throttle stop solenoid. When anti-lag is switched on it is typically active when the throttle is closed, and when the throttle is opened the spark timing is resumed to normal.

Exhaust temperatures produced by this system are phenomenal but they can be controlled by varying the amount of fuel injected while anti lag is active; a richer mixture lowers the temperature. Anti-lag is typically only used on race cars because it can shorten the turbocharger service life down to impractical periods for street use. The turbine blade life is drastically reduced, and the entire exhaust system is put into shock, which can lead to explosion or fire. Rally cars generally change turbochargers every chance they get to do so.
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 07:30 AM
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Someone may have been watching a little too much Initial D?


But realistically, you don't want one unless you really plan on racing your car. Not only does it shorten the life of your turbo setup but I've also heard it shortening the life of your engine as well.
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 08:03 AM
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If you want little to no lag go with a JWT TT. Hell none of the TT kits on the market for the VQ are laggy. If my greddy tt was any less laggy it would be pretty hard to drive. As it is it gets squirly in 1-3rd gear when I hit full boost around 3700 rpms.
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 08:32 AM
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I want my turbo to spool up BEFORE I press the gas pedal.
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I want my turbo to spool up BEFORE I press the gas pedal.
I want my turbo to make 5,000 PSI when I sneeze...
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I want my turbo to make 5,000 PSI when I sneeze...


well you have 2 options: Buy a WRX, or buy an SRT4. those turbos make 5000psi on a sneeze (that's why they blow off with a slight rev under no load! LOL)
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
If you want little to no lag go with a JWT TT. Hell none of the TT kits on the market for the VQ are laggy. If my greddy tt was any less laggy it would be pretty hard to drive. As it is it gets squirly in 1-3rd gear when I hit full boost around 3700 rpms.
I want the APS extreme duty kit how laggy is it?
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Originally Posted by Fevmeister
I want the APS extreme duty kit how laggy is it?
not as laggy as it will be after you burn it out with one of these kits
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by USN HM 350Z
not as laggy as it will be after you burn it out with one of these kits
No really its not very laggy is it? I dont want a dyno queen you guys understand right?
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Originally Posted by Fevmeister
I want the APS extreme duty kit how laggy is it?
there are only a couple of APS extreme kits on the street and I've only seen one where they actually finished the install and dynoed the car.

PM the op of this thread. He has the exteme kit on the car now.

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/232077-440-rwhp-411-rwtq-auto-stock-motor-aps-extreme.html
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Fevmeister
I want the APS extreme duty kit how laggy is it?
well......having ant-lag is good and all..........if you're AWD. However...if you ask anyone with any FI on the 350z if they had instant 5psi right off the launch......they would never get traction. So the idea is flawed because of that.

besides the fact if you get 5psi out of some t3 framed twins, it'd be a cold day in hell that you'd get any traction.

and as mentioned, it's a good way to kill a motor (or at least plugs, coils, etc)
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
well......having ant-lag is good and all..........if you're AWD. However...if you ask anyone with any FI on the 350z if they had instant 5psi right off the launch......they would never get traction. So the idea is flawed because of that.

besides the fact if you get 5psi out of some t3 framed twins, it'd be a cold day in hell that you'd get any traction.

and as mentioned, it's a good way to kill a motor (or at least plugs, coils, etc)
Good point but what if they had wide rear tires? About 10.5-12 inchs?
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Originally Posted by Fevmeister
Good point but what if they had wide rear tires? About 10.5-12 inchs?

street tires will never get traction, ever. drag radials, maybe.
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
street tires will never get traction, ever. drag radials, maybe.
What about traction control?
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Fevmeister
What about traction control?

what traction control? Any real traction control system cuts power and will work strongly AGAINST the anti-lag system!
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 08:49 PM
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i ran a car at 30 degrees retard once, it melted the carpets inside to the floor due to exhaust temps. to say it raises exhaust temps is an understatement!
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