Anybody heard any news on this?? Is it out yet. ANybody know about hydra?? Im up in the air about whether to go w/ hydra or HKS...

 

Hydra is better. Look in the tuning forum i already made a post about it....

 

Frank,

hydra is a full stand-a-lone while the FCON is in essence a piggyback....there are differences...the hydra includes a built-in 3-bar map sensor while the FCon requires an optional 4-Bar MAP. FCON's are more expensive to purchase but there is piece of mind in knowing that if you have a bad map sensor you can simply replace that part and not have to swap out your entire ECM.....there are options such as the knock-amp that I would highly reccommend if you end up building your motor and the new upgraded version is supposed to be able to anticipate detonation and save your motor.....the HYDRA is nice but I would spring for the extra and go with the FCON

 

Sure spend 1500$ more on an fcon and you cant tune it.

 

Hey Noah,

Belated B-day greetings! Where are you hanging out these days; trust all's well? How's the ride?

There are trade offs with any management system one selects, I suppose that there is nothing absolute in the real world.

But still, only time can tell how the hydra will perform with the VQ/s; although, they have tremendous track record on other applications.

G
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The way things are sounding with the Hydra, it looks as if it is a better all around deal than the FCon.

I mean hey, Worste case you can pop your stock back in (speaking for me with my reflash) an drive back home or the shop to get it back to tune. But then when i think about it.. Hydra having its self tune; tuning itself even after dynoing..

I duno, they all have ups an downs.... like he said.. in a perfect world right?....

Its always gonna come down to users preference an what they want....

 

so amazing it has 32x32 like an fcon and supports fuel to each injector so you can add fuel to each cylinder.... lols., i think im drunk

 

Thanx for the birthday wishes bro......as I said I am indifferent....i know Phil whom designed and engineered the SUbie HYDRA personally and well.....we all feel the same....they are all good....I am just a huge fan of being able to swap a $100 part if need be rather than a $2300 ecm.....and G as of monday I will be over at GT Spec.....My car is lowered and running like a champ.....looks sick....newly painted (thank you @sshole that threw a brick at it) suede/carbon fiber interior....lemme know where the next meet is and I will be there 100%

 

Kinda funny the hydra has optinal map sensors. Shows what you do not know. call them or read thier website. I have never heard of a map sensor going out.

 

i figured i would cut an paste this from their site to show their options and abilities.........The system for the 350z was out in October 06 (stated on the site)

New Extruded Aluminum Enclosure with updated software.
Dual 16bit 25MHz Processors
Plug and Play
Windows programmable Software w/ Direct Serial cable Connection
Uses All Factory Sensors (Might need additional sensors, e.g.: 1990 to 1993 Miata will need air temp sensor and knock sensor)
Retains all factory functions
EGR

Purge Control

Power Steering

Coolant and AC Control

Factory Intercooler Spray, EVOVIII and Sti

Air Conditioning

Boost Control

Idle Speed ( Both Solenoid and Stepper Types)

Cold Start Compensation

Acceleration and Deceleration Enrichment

Wideband )2 Air/fuel Long and Short term Control

Programmable Closed Loop Knock Control

Check Engine Light Control

Backup Spark tables for Limp mode

Fuel map 32 by 32 grid styled
Ignition Map 32 by 32 grid styled
Two Mappable Variable 3D Cam Maps 24 by 24 grid styled (VTC/AVCS/VVTi/Vanos) Closed Loop true cam timing by degrees Soon…
Aux 3D Fuel Map 32 by 32 Grid Styled with switched input (For Dry NOS or Race Gas)
Aux 3D Ignition Map 32 by 32 Grid Styled with switched input (For dry NOS or Race Gas)
*3D Antilag Fuel Map 32 by 32 Grid Styled with switched input
*3D Antilag Ignition Map 32 by 32 Grid Styled with switched input
built-in 3 bar map sensor replaces all MAF or AFM with Speed Density for up to 30psi (up to 45 psi with optional 5 bar map sensor)
Full Sequential Fuel injection and Ignition control for up to 8 cylinders
Drives all types of injectors without the need of a ballast box (peak & hold and Saturated)
Individual Fuel Injector Trim
Injector Phasing
Wide Band Closed Loop Lambda Control for true Auto mapping of Air / Fuel 32 by 32 Grid Style (requires Optional software upgrade and NTK L2H2 Wideband Oxygen Sensor)
Continuous Closed Loop Air / Fuel Correction 32 by 32 Grid Style (requires Optional software upgrade and NTK L2H2 Wideband Oxygen Sensor)
Tachometer Drive
Coolant temperature and Air Temperature correction for Fuel and Timing.
Barometric Compensation for normally aspirated cars(with optional 1 bar map sensor)
*Antilag Control
Soft-Cut Rev Limits
Boost Limit
Electronic Boost Control
2-step launch control (Switched Input)
Definable Knock Control (two setting amplification with definable threshold) with adjustable fuel compensation.
Backup Spark map strategy when excessive lean condition or detonation is detected
Limited Onboard Data logging (Unlimited data logging through PC)
Password Protection for Intellectual Property
Many Programmable 2D outputs (Staged injection, intercooler spray, water spray, turbo timer, shift light, VTEC, fuel pump, etc...)

 

funny, I was just reading about the hydra for the 350z today too!..I checked out the hydra on my friend's STI, very cool software! looking forward to this EM coming out for the vq

TODD

 

http://tracktive.co.uk/content.php?page=131 ...... Not easy to find articles on this system yet but it appears to be pretty "next" level to me....

 

Noah, glad all’s well in the home front; GTSpec I know a couple of guys there. Will keep you in mind when we start our meets. You need to pop over to the club site to update your profile. Moreover, we are working on obtaining special rebates for club members for the Hydra.

October 2006 was when it was tested on the tracks, in a Z. The endurance testing is scheduled to commence in a couple of weeks. The reason that there is not much info readily available is because Andrew & Mok are hesitant to over publicize the hydra for the VQ/s before it comes onto the market. Moreover, Hydra prefers to work with their distributors in launching the EMS for the Z, the mini and a couple of other applications simultaneously. They a actively positioning themselves for the launch.

I am getting anxious, myself.

With the availability of cutting edge technology, dynamic EMS is the standard, as it affords us much more flexibility and versatility with real time tuning options; fuel tables & widely vary ignition timing options than the piggy back.

I mean let’s face the FMU, re-flashes and piggy backs were temporary fixes till some genius comes along and breaks the codes on our ECU.

G
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There would be an easier way to do all of this if someone would figure out how to change the MAF offsets in the ecu and sell it for a resonable price. Then we could rescale the MAF and use a bigger one. This would make the car run like normal under boost, and get rid of piggybacks. I talked to a porsche racing shop about doing it, but apparently the 350z ecu is locked down tighter than secret clearance on a military base its probably never going to happen.

 

dude i have physically held one in my hands and along with Vinny Ten went over the options and standard features....this was back in sept so if it has changed i may be wrong...but as of then there was a built in 3-bar map sensor...I was also over at AAM for a year and have put together more Z's than you give me credit for....and trust me, parts do break.....

now I too wish we could change the MAF tables for our ECU's and run a larger MAF....so rocks if you ever come across a shop that can do this...i will be next in line!!!!

 

I bet you anything its an off the shelf gm map sensor. Wich means its probably a 20$ part. Built in is better you just run a vacum line to the ecu box. Kind of funny the megasquirt uses the same setup wonder if they go the idea from that setup.

 

Hydra has been in the works forever for the VQ35. I will believe it when I see it. It's been 2years since I started hearing that Hydra was just around the corner.

The fact us, any EMS that offers high resolution, 100% control, and a good set of tuner tools, is all we really need. We could probably debate the merits of FCON, vs. AEM, vs, Motec, vs. Hydra forever.

 

good point this statement should end all debate on which is better than the other

 

+1

 

Which of these has true control of cam timing/phasing?