Don't Let the fact that We sell more JWT kits than almost any shop seem as if I'm biased only to JWT.

Both kits are Great.

I like the APS fit and finish. The fact that it comes with larger injectors and a Unichip are awesome, APS is definitely quality from start to finish and without a doubt so is JWT. Both using Garrett Turbos ball bearing turbos helps for sure.

I do believe that on a stock motor, the JWT is a fine choice because of the smaller turbos and their boost constraints on the waste gates at only 7 psi. Would rather be safe than sorry on a stock motor, yet NEVER underestimate the IMPORTANCE of the TUNE...

Any kits can blow your motor if the tune is incorrect.

However, in all honesty, the standard APS kit out of the box should make more power for the turbos are bigger although not sure if I would recommend more than 360-400 WHP on a stock motor utilizing pump gas regardless of what kit is being used. Both the JWT and APS can easily accomplish those goals WITHOUT LAG.

Note:
If you build your motor, and want big power, it will come down to much more than just what turbo kit but the size of turbos, compression, cams, exhaust, cats or not, fuel supply, injectors, tune, inter-cooler, and fuel quality (octane). In this case its not as much about the kit but more importance to the company you work with, their service, and whether they stand behind their work if something ever goes wrong.

And if you race, drift, or drive hard enough, something may go wrong so choose wisely.

Good-luck with your decision.

M

 

JWT all the way ok bite me and I chose the JWT over the APS….I was offered a no-brainer below cost deal to adopt the APS when it first made its debut into the NE market, but I held off because I wanted to see what the JWTs were all about. And, what I saw I like

It is only natural and human for one to be bias about one own opinions, for whatever reason. Granted there are many good turbo kits out there and I would stick my head out to say that includes APS, et al.

Business and service wise, it is a reality that JWT, Turbonetics and the likes of others are manufactured local, while APS is based in Australia. The last I heard APS does not have a distributor in the US; each and every vendor stocks APS based on their own individual dollar power. Such a marketing strategy makes it extremely difficult for most vendors to afford the level of service that customers expect.

Julian, you yourself have disagreed and faulted APS marketing many a time; as it has hurt you and made it difficult at times for MRC to give the service that it could.

And, as for being the master of master on the VQ codes, there is none other that Jim in the aftermarket arena.

The reason that the basic JWT kit does not come with the bells and whistles like APS, is only because Jim is offering the benefit of turbo to the bone stock enthusiast, too. But obviously, if you wish to take it to the next few levels you can still do it with the JWT’s.

My Z is pushing 430 whp with 7psi of boost, stock injectors, no return fuel line, mind you. I know some of you may have lots to say about that; that it could not be done, injectors at almost 100% duty cycle, blah, blah; but I will take Jim’s and Vinny’s word over any others, any day. No disrespect or necessarily a put-down to other good engine builders in the market. This is my experience and my opinions, obviously based on my local exposure since 2002.

On a personal note, Julian you’re way off base to make a judgment statement about service with the remarks above. We all encounter down time at one point or another, but to use it against a fella vendor is uncalled for. After all, anyone who knows anything about success, will take his/her hat off to Vinny for pulling it off even when the chips were down. Once again he reinvented himself, only to come back stronger to boost the VQ market exciting new life. That is the mark of a successful individual.

If you must know, my coup and Paul’s roadster is back at Vinny’s new premises for the next level installs and upgrades, I dropped my car off about a week or so ago.

Paul’s roadster in Vinny’s new premises undergoing the hydra/return fuel line/half axles/etc install

Anyone who had their JWT or Turbonetics by PM or VTR can return for service and more. I wanted the best of the best and I got Vinny to build me a mighty VQ........my decision.......am I happy......absolutely ecstatic the last 4 to 5 months......now the Z is back with Vinny.......because he can take it to the ultimate level

G

430 whp with 7psi of boost,
stock injectors, no return fuel line
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Michael, thanks for the great advice. Before i went to my shop i had my mind set on the jwt but after i had a long talk with Dave i got convinced that for my goals an with all the fine tunning this guys do i will stick with the APS kit.
We are upgrading fuel line, injectors, actuators, exhaust, and i have the Utech to tune it with.

 

G,
I wan not commenting on Vinny, I was commenting on the Rubio's FYI..Vinny is cool people, but you seriously need to "EDUCATE" yourself better in the FI market before making such ill informed comments about me and my business G.After all, I dont tell you how to build houses do I?
See this is why I hate these APS VS JWT threads so much, iy always resorts to bashing...I try and stay away, but get sucked in, when I see the BS spewing from peoples mouths like you and Rob..People who made a purchase, and now defend that purchase with bashing a companies customer service and the shops that represent them.
For you to make such comments about the quality of an APS kit without having owned, operated,installed or tuned one, is at least "IGNORANT". I can comment on the JWT kit cause I have an idea of what it comes with and does not come with...And Im not putting it down.Bot kits are very good kits, some a little more complete than others, and some a little more convienient than others..
I am glad your happy with your purchase, and in the end you will have spent ALOT of $$$$ with Vinny and PM's old shop and will reap the benifiets of it..However your car and your case are very different from the average Joe. I hope all the readers would know the level you have taken your car to and the results will not be typical of the average install. So lets not compare the average APS kit to YOUR JWT kit. Im glad your car has been out of commision for over 2 years now getting built, while the rest of us have been enjoying our rides Im sure your car got priority whie And and Gary were out setting records..
Vinny is a great guy and will now take care of you,and I hope he never gets mixed up with a crew like PM again.
In the end it resorts to a personal and professional preference..But the only thing that gets me mad is how you and Rob continuously portray APS kits as this god aweful product that youll be screwed if something happens. Its not the case, at all...and I do take it personal when you try and sway business elsewhere by using such a ploy on the forums.It offends me..Its bad enough Rob Patel, posed as a potential customer of mine for over a year and wasted countless hours of manpower preparing estimates and giving technical service vei phone and Email, while all the while being a Performance Motorsports Cronie..This is reason #1 we never did business with Gary and Andy and were reluctant to deal with Vinny..
This move was very low class if you ask me..
At any rate G, Goos luck with the car and Im sure we will meet up on the track soon
Anyone reading this, just so you know me and Gerald are friendly and know each other for a while. This our typical way of debating..

 

I assume you're getting the APS Tuner kit then?

 

Julian,

Not at all; I am not bashing or putting down APS or any other turbo kit; as I personally consider the APS turbo system top notch. In fact I even like the cosmetic appearance of the kit.

But my point is, I consider Jim Wolf as the authority with the Nissans, a wiz with the 350Z ECU codes; and the fact that he is local and I can get him to either do a same day delivery or overnight a part that may need to get my car running at peak. Like in the ads. “just a phone (local) away.”

And the JWTs are more stock block friendly but, does not mean they're push overs, either

J, absolutely, I need to educate myself about lots of things in this field; but I am not clear as to what in specific that you feel I need to educate myself in the F1 market about.

Apparently, you may not recall, but you did post about your frustrations with APS’marketing/business approach; personal and ethical differences, I believe you said. Furthermore, there were several APS re-sellers out there sourcing APS products from larger dealers and undercutting each other, left and right.

Unless you’re telling me now, that has all stopped.

And, if I am not mistaken, MRC did expressed publicly, intentions of breaking off dealership ties with APS.

I am not criticizing the APS kit, per se, but the business approach and the fact that they don’t have a servicing distributorship based in the US, it the issue.

I understand that APS is growing its business slowly in North American without expending any cost to the parent company.

1. Major Stocking Dealer
2. Stocking Dealer
3. Vehicle dealerships

Basically, you guys are on your own, go fight among yourself and the victor is the one who is able to move volumes and gain the advantage over the rest of the dealers; to maybe one day have the prize of sole distributorship. Great marketing plan, for APS, that is, keep cost low and maybe come up with profits to establish a manufacturing plant in North America, probably in South/Central America.

You must admit, J, this was how APS marketed in the US; their policies and tactics may have improved somewhat, but how much, is the question.

So if you know of a Major Stocking Dealer or a stocking dealer, one may expect somewhat better service.

Not at all, not bad mouthing APS, merely calling it as I see it.

These type of discussions are healthy, as they help us all make the right decisions; as one can only do that with all the information up front....product reliability/quality and manufacturer/company behind the product.

These discussions can only stay healthy when we do not become personal and childish in our comments.

Dealers are only as good as the suppliers/manufacturers.

And... the weakest links in race engings are the hands putting them in

I buy you a drink when I see you next...J

G
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I'm very curious as to what you mean by this statement and what brought you to that conclusion...

 

I think the JWT kit is running in a sweet spots of it's turbos on the stock JWT setup. It runs 5psi and has the same basic HP level as the stock APS kit running 7 psi. The APS kit has more headroom for boost. But for the JWT kit to produce so much hp at such a small amount of boost is interesting. You could also argue that the larger APS turbos would have less reversion then the smaller JWT turbos and as a result would be better for the stock block engine at the same hp level. Honestly at this 350-400whp range it's a wash more then likely.

 

For the original thread poster: I've got the JWT kit and am very happy with it. This is not to say the APS kit is bad; I'm sure it's a great product, however, I don't have any personal experience with it, so all I know is second and third hand information.

For me, the JWT kit offer stock driveability with great low end torque and instant boost. Very happy with it!

For all the vendors and tuners on this thread (and others): I am completely and totally sick of seeing good threads derailed by your endless bickering and bashing of each other. I could care less who started it; all that matters is that you all are involved. All you do is make yourself (and your company/shop, by extension) seem childish and unprofessional, and also make decent threads and information on this forum that much harder to access by your arguementative and worthless bickering back and forth. I'm sure one (or more) of you is going to send me a nasty PM, and/or post some defensive or offensive reply here, or in another thread; think before you do that because it will just make you seem that much more like a two year old. All you need to do is stop posting these little diatribes on this forum, or at least, take it to your own thread.

Have a nice day.

 

I agree, instead of talking about turbo's, intercoolers, piping, ecu's we argue about things that no one can validate. Even worse people say "I had a bad experience" but don't actually post the reason why. If you can't back it up, don't say anything. If you have a legitimate complaint. Start your own thread; don't pollute every real search for help with your invalidated complaints.

 

big misconception... Jim has had his share of good and bad stories.. but i won't get into that

 

i think that is smoking mirrors... the JWT Kit is monopolized to the best tuners in the country..

let me tell you something.. if Greddy/APS/PE all said only Sharif, Julian, Mike, Mark, and Juan could install their kits and no one else.. guess fcking what? they would all run perfectly.. and they would all be perfect for a stock block..

here is some food for thought.... you ever wonder why no JWT Kits have blown stock motors? here is an idea.. tell Jim to open up his Kit sales to any and anyone in the world for install and tuning.. see how perfect that record is

 

^^^^^^^^^^
has nothing to do with my statement so don't really know why you qouted me. But I agree. Good installers leads to good reliability. BUT, After the sale owners can still mess with things and blow the engine. JWT is relatively new with the kit. APS been around longer. I will probably not do the JWT for the simple reason I can't install it myself. I have never let anyone do that type of thing to my car. Not really going to start now more then likely. Been doing this for 20 years. My first car was a 72 510. I used to pull the engine just to change the clutch because I could. Lately, it's been SR20's, rebuilt them, swapped them, tracked the hell out of them, even did a transmission / quaife install. I think I can handle a TT kit. But JWT doesn't so I will look elsewhere. BTW, JWT screwed me years ago on a clutch. They were called the day of install when I knew it was bad. They would not honor any warranty. 7 months later (1 month after warranty expires) it blows 100%. JWT is not perfect. Never were, never will be. I like them overall but thats as far as it goes. Thats has nothing to do with the TT kit but I will never buy their clutch again.

 

i quoted you based on the stock block and JWT comment... also it has been echoed all over this thread.. so i wanted to get my point across...

i understand what you said about owners messing up stuff.. of course such as maintenance... but usually once a car is tuned.. its tuned and the owners don't usually touch it after that. However the oil comment and maintenance can go for the JWT kit also.. it can go for any kit..

My point again is i don't believe the JWT Kit is best for a stock block like everyone says.. i think its smoking mirrors.. its bullsh!t.. it just appears that way because its in the best hands in the world

 

The best kit for a stock block is called "LEAVE IT STOCK"...lol

 

Originally Posted by 350Zzzz
But my point is, I consider Jim Wolf as the authority with the Nissans, a wiz with the 350Z ECU codes;



I don't know about this. Where has jim been a wiz with the 350z ecu? To my knowledge he hasn't done anything with it, or he wouldn't be running a piggy back em with his tt kit.

 

I am absolutely certain that you are right, Jim has had his share of trial & errors; but I can't think of any great inventor, including the father of light bulbs, Thomas Edison, not make mistakes

I am not certain why anyone would have a problem with that, having selected dealers to handle F1 equipment. I mean, who in his right mind would actually approach a shop for a turbo install when it is common knowledge that the shop has not had any prior knowledge nor experience with F1(s)

As, I have said before that the weakest link in a race engine are the hands that puts it in.

If the manufacturer cares at all about the end user, he will not make the mistake of flooding the market by handing out his product freely to any and every tom, dick & harry in order to make a quick profit.

G
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I think that who a company lets install their kits should be taken into consideration as that is something that may come up down the road....it is not ust the kit but everything that goes into it.

 

It seems that the JWT and APS are so similiar that I would tend to agree. I also think part of it is that people seeking a oem setup go to JWT and they are not as aggresive with retuning and shooting for big HP. Those who know they want big power bypass the JWT and get the APS because it's got more HP potenial stock. That consumer bias leads to the perception that the JWT kit is better for a stock engine. APS said a long time ago that it recommends the stock kit for the stock block with no additional hp (mods). How many APS kits do you know like that. It seems most APS people shoot for well over 380whp.

 

People on this forum act like it's rocket science putting the kit on the car. It's not. They post the directions on the internet. It's not rocket science. it's just a matter of being methodical. This place is starting to sound like a M3 forum. "Don't work on your own car. Take it to someone that knows what they are doing" Funny thing is till the E46 came out the E36 M3 was just a great collection of mostly off the shelf parts. Tuned properly. Sounds a lot like a 350Z. VQ is about the most common engine Nissan has, they slap it in everything. But no, be afriad, be very afraid. Only some high end guy should ever touch the car. BS

Edit: I am referring to the E36 M3 not the E30 M3 which was actually a pretty unique car. ANYWAY, this is not about BMW so I should never have mentioned it.