APS TT or JWT TT? need help guys!!!
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APS TT or JWT TT? need help guys!!!
Ok, so i need some advise i'm going for a twin turbo set up but i am torn between the APS and JWT
I like the fact that the JWT has virtually no lag and the intercooler fits perfectly on the G, but i also love the sound of the APS and it has a lot more potential if i decide to build the engine down the road. what do u guys think?
I like the fact that the JWT has virtually no lag and the intercooler fits perfectly on the G, but i also love the sound of the APS and it has a lot more potential if i decide to build the engine down the road. what do u guys think?
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Originally Posted by diwun67
I too would say go with JWT kit, they R&D'd the hell out of it, it's gotta be good
Not saying the APS us MUCH better, but Unichip and the APS fuel system are both superior.
As far as the turbochargers themselves . . . . . . NON OF THE TURBO KITS HAVE ANY LAG. Period. End of story. Get over this "lag" issue.
Both are nice kits. But if you plan on using JWT and going with more power than out-of-the-box tune, I suggest you get a UTEC or something and a return fuel system.
That said, APS TT ftw!!! (I know I'm biased )
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Originally Posted by Devil Z
In what way? That they use zero fuel return and a SS box?
Not saying the APS us MUCH better, but Unichip and the APS fuel system are both superior.
Not saying the APS us MUCH better, but Unichip and the APS fuel system are both superior.
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Although both kits are great and IMO, they are the best 2 available kits for these cars. I would have to say the clear choice for me would be the JWT TT kit (standard 530BB's or with the 700BB's) As far as the return fuel line and the EM systems go...that has been debated to no end, and all I have to say is the proof is in the puddin! There are tons of JWT TT kits out there now and probably 95% of them DO NOT have a fuel return line and, alot of them are making over 500 whp, and some over 600 and even 700+....still with a split second box, and NO return fuel line. IMO, JWT de-bunked the whole "you need a fuel return line" theory.
Go with the JWT.
Go with the JWT.
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IMO, JWT de-bunked the whole "you need a fuel return line" theory.
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Is it not true the JWT and APS both use Garrett turbos? I have have been meaning to search out the compressor maps and other info about the turbos both kit's. Besides that both kits appear very well made. Also, JWT only lets a authorized dealer install the kits, APS does not care either way. Thats a huge difference. Anyone have the turbo information and compressor maps for both these kits?
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Both kits are capable, but I think in out of box trim on a stock block, the APS is the better kit.
Your concerns about lag should be forgetten about right now. the two kits use almost identical turbos. The spool time is nearly identical and like Devil stated, lag on either kit is all but nonexistant. From my knowledge, JWT uses a smaller housing on their turbo than APS does, which from the research I have done basically limits the potential of the turbos much more so than adding increased spool time vs a kit like APS, or even the greddy. You also have to remember that with any of these TT kits, you will have so much power the way it is, any slight increase below 3000 rpms just adds to traction issues. Besides, you will rarely see your RPMS much below 4000 during aggressive driving, and it is common knowledge that the JWT turbos start choking out in the upper RPMS - just look at the dynos that are out there.
Your concern about the sound is also something to forget about. Put the same BOV on either kit, and I am confident, you would have a hard timing distinguishing between the two in terms of sound.
Really it comes down to what is included in the box. With the APS, you get a better EMS, Fuel system, boost control, and you get a full replacment oil pan.
Your concerns about lag should be forgetten about right now. the two kits use almost identical turbos. The spool time is nearly identical and like Devil stated, lag on either kit is all but nonexistant. From my knowledge, JWT uses a smaller housing on their turbo than APS does, which from the research I have done basically limits the potential of the turbos much more so than adding increased spool time vs a kit like APS, or even the greddy. You also have to remember that with any of these TT kits, you will have so much power the way it is, any slight increase below 3000 rpms just adds to traction issues. Besides, you will rarely see your RPMS much below 4000 during aggressive driving, and it is common knowledge that the JWT turbos start choking out in the upper RPMS - just look at the dynos that are out there.
Your concern about the sound is also something to forget about. Put the same BOV on either kit, and I am confident, you would have a hard timing distinguishing between the two in terms of sound.
Really it comes down to what is included in the box. With the APS, you get a better EMS, Fuel system, boost control, and you get a full replacment oil pan.
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J/K on a serious note, do some research as to what you short and long term power goals are with the car, and plan accordingly to your budget and needs. some people get way in over their heads and realize they made the wrong initial choice. Look at the components a respective kit comes with,the power goals you have immidiately,the power goals you may want in the future,and always take into consideration the "What if's".
J/K on a serious note, do some research as to what you short and long term power goals are with the car, and plan accordingly to your budget and needs. some people get way in over their heads and realize they made the wrong initial choice. Look at the components a respective kit comes with,the power goals you have immidiately,the power goals you may want in the future,and always take into consideration the "What if's".
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Originally Posted by Dubai
both are great kits but for me I'd choose the APS simply because its a more complete kit.
yes, more complete, I can't talk about the JWT but the APS kit comes with high quality parts and every nut and bold!!!
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Originally Posted by 98sr20ve
Is it not true the JWT and APS both use Garrett turbos? I have have been meaning to search out the compressor maps and other info about the turbos both kit's. Besides that both kits appear very well made. Also, JWT only lets a authorized dealer install the kits, APS does not care either way. Thats a huge difference. Anyone have the turbo information and compressor maps for both these kits?
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Originally Posted by USN HM 350Z
JWT TT all the way.
Not to mention if I need any part of that JWT TT Kit It's available the next business day straight from JWT. Turbonetics has great customer service as well. That goes a long way...