View Poll Results: Which would you get??
Vortech Supercharger kit (polished)
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65.00%
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Vortech SC or JWT TT???
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Does that mean a built engine will not or can not pass the emissions. If so then that would mean, it would be a negative move to build the engine, which would be an important fact that all of us should be aware of here in Calif. I was under the false impression, that is a few of us here that we would be okay at that point. I would take from your advice that building the motor is not a good idea in Calif at all then.
Originally Posted by WSchli1672
Does that mean a built engine will not or can not pass the emissions. If so then that would mean, it would be a negative move to build the engine, which would be an important fact that all of us should be aware of here in Calif. I was under the false impression, that is a few of us here that we would be okay at that point. I would take from your advice that building the motor is not a good idea in Calif at all then.
But that doesn't mean that I think a built motor is a bad idea at all.
Originally Posted by rcdash
how do the emissions folks know that the engine has been built?
Then there is the (separate) question as to whether the CARB sticker (an imprimateur of legality on your F/I setup) remains valid if you make any change to the exact setup that CARB originally approved (no, but they're not out inspecting your car, they're just a standards board).
So in the end, to throw in my 2cents to the OP's question, it's about a standard risk/reward graph -- on one axis is your particular level of risk tolerance and on the other axis is desire for HP/torque.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
Believe it or not, I have seen many more SC's blow up stock motors than I have seen a properly tuned JWT TT kit, so that is my first point.
My second point would be that If "someone was so inclined" to put the CARB sticker from the JWT Pop Charger on the kit than if/when they ever got pulled over he/she could gladly show the nice officer (who 99.9% of the time) doesn't even know what they are looking at/for.
The intercooler is almost invisable when heat painted flat black, there is no way to even see the turbo's, and the kit is so quiet with the re-circ valve (no BOV). I have "seen it explained" to the authorities before that it was a fancy cold air induced intake system and "Here is the CARB # on the sticker" "have a nice day" hahaha, It was that simple. So as long as you keep your catalitic converters on, and all the stuff mentioned above, there should be no real worrie about getting pulled over and ticketed for the JWT TT kit, "one would be inclined to think".
Oh, and as for the SMOG tests go. With a new car, you will not ever have to have a SMOG test for 4-6 years and I don't know about you, but that is a long enough time for most people to not ever have to worrie about it and just enjoy the TT'ed car
That is just a thiught or suggestion....
Either way Hex, I am looking forward to doing FI on your beautifull, brand new, blue G. I just want you to be well informed and happy with your decision, and this is comming from someone that HAS OWNED them ALL (TT and SC's)
My second point would be that If "someone was so inclined" to put the CARB sticker from the JWT Pop Charger on the kit than if/when they ever got pulled over he/she could gladly show the nice officer (who 99.9% of the time) doesn't even know what they are looking at/for.
The intercooler is almost invisable when heat painted flat black, there is no way to even see the turbo's, and the kit is so quiet with the re-circ valve (no BOV). I have "seen it explained" to the authorities before that it was a fancy cold air induced intake system and "Here is the CARB # on the sticker" "have a nice day" hahaha, It was that simple. So as long as you keep your catalitic converters on, and all the stuff mentioned above, there should be no real worrie about getting pulled over and ticketed for the JWT TT kit, "one would be inclined to think".
Oh, and as for the SMOG tests go. With a new car, you will not ever have to have a SMOG test for 4-6 years and I don't know about you, but that is a long enough time for most people to not ever have to worrie about it and just enjoy the TT'ed car
That is just a thiught or suggestion....
Either way Hex, I am looking forward to doing FI on your beautifull, brand new, blue G. I just want you to be well informed and happy with your decision, and this is comming from someone that HAS OWNED them ALL (TT and SC's)
So you're going to be doing the work on his car? And you're advocating fraud/misrepresenting his car to the authorities?
Good combination there...
Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
So you're going to be doing the work on his car? And you're advocating fraud/misrepresenting his car to the authorities?
Good combination there...
Good combination there...
As for us doing the work on his car, one can't ever be 100% sure of that, I have seen people back out of work that was agreed upon to be done to a car before.
Hex has contacted me and we have spoken several times a week for the last few weeks about what his goals are for his car, and the options he might want to go with. I have given him (as I do everyone for that matter) my honest and professional assessment of their situation and the best advise I can offer to them. Even if it means that they do nothing to their car and no money is made.
I am always up front and honest with people, no reason to be otherwise. My goal is to help out people who come to me wanting work done to their car, weather it be cosmetic enhancements, performance enhancements, or just maintenance. My goal is to satisfy whatever goals a customer may have, the best way I know how.
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
No, I do not know how you are getting all that from my post. I am merely making a suggestion as to what I have observed over the years. Every work order/invoice/quote that is from us clearly states that these modifications are for "off highway use only"
As for us doing the work on his car, one can't ever be 100% sure of that, I have seen people back out of work that was agreed upon to be done to a car before.
Hex has contacted me and we have spoken several times a week for the last few weeks about what his goals are for his car, and the options he might want to go with. I have given him (as I do everyone for that matter) my honest and professional assessment of their situation and the best advise I can offer to them. Even if it means that they do nothing to their car and no money is made. I am always up front and honest with people, no reason to be otherwise. My goal is to help out people who come to me wanting work done to their car, weather it be cosmetic enhancements, performance enhancements, or just maintenance.
My goal is to satisfy whatever goals a customer may have, the best way I know how.
As for us doing the work on his car, one can't ever be 100% sure of that, I have seen people back out of work that was agreed upon to be done to a car before.
Hex has contacted me and we have spoken several times a week for the last few weeks about what his goals are for his car, and the options he might want to go with. I have given him (as I do everyone for that matter) my honest and professional assessment of their situation and the best advise I can offer to them. Even if it means that they do nothing to their car and no money is made.
I am always up front and honest with people, no reason to be otherwise. My goal is to help out people who come to me wanting work done to their car, weather it be cosmetic enhancements, performance enhancements, or just maintenance. My goal is to satisfy whatever goals a customer may have, the best way I know how.
However, you still began the post that I quoted with:
Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
My second point would be that If "someone was so inclined" to put the CARB sticker from the JWT Pop Charger on the kit than if/when they ever got pulled over he/she could gladly show the nice officer (who 99.9% of the time) doesn't even know what they are looking at/for.
Granted, you said "if one were so inclined", so you didn't technically recommend that action in those specific words, but that's an issue of semantics.
Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
That last bit is very nice, and what I would expect from any shop.
However, you still began the post that I quoted with:
That's what I was talking about in my last post. You are advocating overt fraud. You're not asking someone to sign a waiver, or recommending that the car is for off-road use only. You are suggesting that one might misdirect scrutiny with a sticker from a different CARB approved device.
Granted, you said "if one were so inclined", so you didn't technically recommend that action in those specific words, but that's an issue of semantics.
However, you still began the post that I quoted with:
That's what I was talking about in my last post. You are advocating overt fraud. You're not asking someone to sign a waiver, or recommending that the car is for off-road use only. You are suggesting that one might misdirect scrutiny with a sticker from a different CARB approved device.
Granted, you said "if one were so inclined", so you didn't technically recommend that action in those specific words, but that's an issue of semantics.
I apologize to YOU then if you got that out of what I posted. I am pretty sure that 99% of members on here did not find it as offensive as you obviously did and some of them might even apreciate the offering of possible alternatives. I did not say that "I" suggested anything, I was just objectively pointing out a possible scenerio, that's all. Would it make you feel better if I edited it out of the post???
How's this......
Non CARB aproved aftermarket components should never be placed on your car if you live in California and operate said car on public roadways !
Does that help?
Last edited by WA2GOOD; Jun 3, 2007 at 06:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by WA2GOOD
I apologize to YOU then if you got that out of what I posted. I am pretty sure that 99% of members on here did not find it as offensive as you obviously did and some of them might even apreciate the offering of possible alternatives. I did not say that "I" suggested anything, I was just objectively pointing out a possible scenerio, that's all. Would it make you feel better if I edited it out of the post???
How's this......
Non CARB aproved aftermarket components should never be placed on your car if you live in California and operate said car on public roadways !
Does that help?
How's this......
Non CARB aproved aftermarket components should never be placed on your car if you live in California and operate said car on public roadways !
Does that help?
One question: Is it possible for a built engine to pass, or would that be pretty much out of the possibilities and when the time comes, it would either a: be off the road due to failure to pass or b: have to be put back to stock $$$$.
Otherwards: Makes it really a no brainer as to not touch it while in CAlif.
haha!! Wow, I never knew that my indecision would lead to such debate. But these are exactly the things going through my head. Because I am in Cali, these are all very real issues that I must consider. Another issue that I didn't really think about until this weekend is the distance to these shops. It's not that far but it's far enough away that I need to factor it into my decision. I am in L.A. and GT Motorsports (Rancho Cucamonga) is about an hour away and RA (San Diego) is about 1 1/2 to 2 hours away. Under normal circumstances, not a big deal. But if I should have any problems, it is a big deal. Just another thing to think about . . . . 
Originally Posted by WSchli1672
+1 On that is definitely a precise answer as to California. Other states are so lucky, with no such problems.
One question: Is it possible for a built engine to pass, or would that be pretty much out of the possibilities and when the time comes, it would either a: be off the road due to failure to pass or b: have to be put back to stock $$$$.
Otherwards: Makes it really a no brainer as to not touch it while in CAlif.
One question: Is it possible for a built engine to pass, or would that be pretty much out of the possibilities and when the time comes, it would either a: be off the road due to failure to pass or b: have to be put back to stock $$$$.
Otherwards: Makes it really a no brainer as to not touch it while in CAlif.
So, I guess it would be possible to build a built motor FI'ed VQ35 powered car that should be CARB complient, maybe with the built 10.5 to 1 motor combined with a (out of the box) Procharger/Vortech SC kit, or even a Stillen stage 2 kit. It could be done and might even be interesting.
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Originally Posted by istan
Either shop is going to treat you well.
Care to guess which one? I am sure GTM does great work and I would have no problem trusting my car to them, but they are not for the budget conscious.
istan, I know from your threads and your signature that RA did your FI, aren't you more than happy with them? How about their pricing?
Last edited by ShamrockG; Jun 3, 2007 at 10:24 PM.
Originally Posted by Hexxum001
haha!! Wow, I never knew that my indecision would lead to such debate. But these are exactly the things going through my head. Because I am in Cali, these are all very real issues that I must consider. Another issue that I didn't really think about until this weekend is the distance to these shops. It's not that far but it's far enough away that I need to factor it into my decision. I am in L.A. and GT Motorsports (Rancho Cucamonga) is about an hour away and RA (San Diego) is about 1 1/2 to 2 hours away. Under normal circumstances, not a big deal. But if I should have any problems, it is a big deal. Just another thing to think about . . . .
That should make it easier.I favor SC for the obvious reasons; We live in Cali.
Some people here are saying "screw the cops" and other dumb statements. I'm sure they wouldn't say that if they actually lived in California.
Goodluck.
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Originally Posted by ShamrockG
istan, I know from your threads and your signature that RA did your FI, aren't you more than happy with them? How about their pricing?
Don't complain because your shop is an hour/two hours away. Mine's 4.5.
The big thing, the Vegas tuner market sucks. For example, a good friend of mine is the project car at a Good shop here in Vegas. He started working on his car a few months ago. It was their first VQ. Great mechanics and tuners for Honda's, but their lack of experience with the VQ is a real turn off.
Pricing was good. I really have no complaints. And Scott's been great with all the questions I have.
Last edited by iStan; Jun 3, 2007 at 10:39 PM.
Originally Posted by skaterbasist
Some people here are saying "screw the cops" and other dumb statements. I'm sure they wouldn't say that if they actually lived in California.