Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports

Oh thats right..Louies car.Sharif did the entire build and tune, and then RA and another shop come and do some free work on it, and next thing you know, there is a big a$$ RA sticker on the car as if they built it.. To me that was very tacky on both the owner of the car, and the shops that offered the sponsorship, knowing that the quality of the build would reflect ultimately to the shops stickered up on the car, when in fact they did VERY little to make the car what it was.

Originally Posted by Motormouth

but is that the point of this thread?

first it was stated that the customer was not given the parts promised, AFTER sharif already knew from the customer, RA & noah that he got the parts he was supposed to and that his misgivings could be explained by a clerical error.

and he still.made.the.thread. < am I the only one who sees a problem with this?

Originally Posted by Vegas Speedstar

The fact that Scott stands behind the engine and is willing to warranty and RACE that car speaks volumes. You other so called tuners, get your best car and meet Scott on the track. That's where real racers settle disputes, not on a PC. Let the best build win.

Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII

as long as i handles the power(which is whats in question)...

Originally Posted by Motormouth

no, show me proof, since you want to state something as FACT, where any RA car is making 1-200whp less than they have stated.

I am not a technical expert to tell you whether or not the engine is up to snuff. I know you are notorious for overbuilding cars. not that it is a terrible thing to do, if for the right reasons.

Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports

Wow, just wow..I just got home and i heard rumors of this thread brewing but had no idea the whole picture.
My oinion for what its worth, is that if the owner of the engine is content with paying for something that will not come close to what it is advertised to do, then he was taken advantage of.
Poor or improper documentation of something as simple as a spec sheet and what parts were used or billed in a particular motor, would be enough to make me, as a consumer to run the other way. How is this motor supposed to handle 600hp and being abused on race track , when the engine builder dont even know what parts were put in the motor. Thats not casual that negligentat the least if not deceptive ,fraudulent practice.
If you cant even sit down, write up a build spec, and parts quote with real and worthy parts that have been proven time and time again, then how the hell do you have the nerve to even attempt to assemble something so precise and critical an a high performance engine?
I find this to be a slap in the face to all of the worthy 350Z tuners and shops in the country.How a person comes out of an operation like VRT and goes on to even work in this industry is beyond me.And the fact that people trust them cause he is NICE, is even more disturbing.
I think i will change from being Legit and an a$$hole, to being Nice and scamming people of their money..Seems to be the in thing to do...

Originally Posted by Motormouth

but is that the point of this thread?

first it was stated that the customer was not given the parts promised, AFTER sharif already knew from the customer, RA & noah that he got the parts he was supposed to and that his misgivings could be explained by a clerical error.

and he still.made.the.thread. < am I the only one who sees a problem with this?

Originally Posted by D350Z10

This is not about "winning a race"

ITS ABOUT PROPPER BUSINESS ETHICS.... is Rentless even Licensed as a shop... again no one answers this question.

Originally Posted by D350Z10

This is not about "winning a race"

ITS ABOUT PROPPER BUSINESS ETHICS.... is Rentless even Licensed as a shop... again no one answers this question.

Originally Posted by Canadian

I don't need a dyno sheet to know, and its pathetic that you all need proof of a claim that isn't even ground breaking. I've seen the Z in person numerous times. It has won numerous time attack events. Do you think the car with 400whp would win??? Afterall, you guys are claiming all of RA's cars are ~200whp less than anything they say.

Originally Posted by rcdash

That's an unreasonable request since it's not possible. And attacking GTM for overbuilding is going O/T. jeez.

Originally Posted by Nforce1

LOL, I was waiting for you.... and no surprise here

Originally Posted by George@GTM

So if this was you, and you were going to build a 600rwhp time attack car, would you do what is virtually a OEM build? For a car that is going to be abused on a roadcourse?

Originally Posted by rcdash

The point of this thread is to present the evidence involved and put everything on the table to allow discussion and explanation.

So in answer to your question, yes.

Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports

Which it will not do.

Originally Posted by Canadian

I don't see how this is about business ethics. If one shop does something different, and it works, and their engine builder is THAT good, and other shops don't do specific things - why does it matter? If it works, it works. And, it does work.

Originally Posted by failsafe306

Somebody's bluffing. He knows damn well that motor isn't going to hold up, and that he isn't running OEM stuff in his motor...

Originally Posted by Zilvia

sorry but i dont see skill of building being enough to hold together a n/a block running a 600whp of Forced induction on stock parts.... maybe if he had magic skills at tuning but it still u likely to survive the beating of a track event

Originally Posted by Canadian

I don't see how this is about business ethics. If one shop does something different, and it works, and their engine builder is THAT good, and other shops don't do specific things - why does it matter? If it works, it works. And, it does work.