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05-16-2008, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Well I dont like running past 15 psi on pump gas with no additives. I take a more responsible approach to my tuning, focused on drivability and longevity over squeesing a few extra HP out of it....
INHO pump gas is wat to unpredictable to play games with someones expensive motor, so I can swing my cack around in a measuring contest.
INHO pump gas is wat to unpredictable to play games with someones expensive motor, so I can swing my cack around in a measuring contest.
05-16-2008, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rrmedicx
Zoni went from 13psi and NO Meth (575rwhp) to 17psi w/Meth (648 rwhp).
I would love to know what 17 psi w/o Meth vs. 17 psi w/Meth would yield?
I would love to know what 17 psi w/o Meth vs. 17 psi w/Meth would yield?
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05-16-2008, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
Gains would be negligible at best. Meth = safer AFR's. The last car we built & tuned w/ ProEFI (built motor PowerLab GT35R) had meth injection. I can dig up both graphs and hp/tq #'s at the same psi w/ and w/out meth are almost identical, while the AFR's are better.
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05-16-2008, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
Gains would be negligible at best. Meth = safer AFR's. The last car we built & tuned w/ ProEFI (built motor PowerLab GT35R) had meth injection. I can dig up both graphs and hp/tq #'s at the same psi w/ and w/out meth are almost identical, while the AFR's are better.
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05-16-2008, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
That 13 psi was without meth.
Sooo.... We already have numbers @ 13psi w/o Meth, so how about 13psi with meth?
05-16-2008, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Every car we tuned with meth made way better gains than negligible that for sure..We were able to run cleaner AFR's and a few degrees more timing for more power...
05-16-2008, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
So are you saying on the graph you posted, that the only difference between the two curves is just the addition of methanol? No more boost, no more timing??
Zoni went from 13psi and NO Meth (575rwhp) to 17psi w/Meth (648 rwhp).
So an increase of 4psi and meth = 73whp
05-16-2008, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Someone stated earlier.....
Zoni went from 13psi and NO Meth (575rwhp) to 17psi w/Meth (648 rwhp).
So an increase of 4psi and meth = 73whp
Zoni went from 13psi and NO Meth (575rwhp) to 17psi w/Meth (648 rwhp).
So an increase of 4psi and meth = 73whp
05-16-2008, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SlideFox
Someone stated earlier.....
Zoni went from 13psi and NO Meth (575rwhp) to 17psi w/Meth (648 rwhp).
So an increase of 4psi and meth = 73whp
Zoni went from 13psi and NO Meth (575rwhp) to 17psi w/Meth (648 rwhp).
So an increase of 4psi and meth = 73whp
05-16-2008, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
Makes sense! It looked like he was saying the gain was from meth alone.
It also cools the AIT and boost charge a bit more..
Basically I added about 2 degrees timing and a conservative AF ratio of about 11.8, and raised the boost to 17 psi, something i would never do on pump gas, cause the amount of timing i would have to pull in addition to "SAFELY" run 17 psi on pump would negate the gains alot..
05-16-2008, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Your gonna love METH and what it does..
We added almost 100whp on pump gas
We added almost 100whp on pump gas
Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Once again, meth does not make power by itself, it is not a "power adder"..Meth simply allows to run mre boost, more timing and a more agressive A/F mixture, a little bit safer on pump gas...
It also cools the AIT and boost charge a bit more..
Basically I added about 2 degrees timing and a conservative AF ratio of about 11.8, and raised the boost to 17 psi, something i would never do on pump gas, cause the amount of timing i would have to pull in addition to "SAFELY" run 17 psi on pump would negate the gains alot..
It also cools the AIT and boost charge a bit more..
Basically I added about 2 degrees timing and a conservative AF ratio of about 11.8, and raised the boost to 17 psi, something i would never do on pump gas, cause the amount of timing i would have to pull in addition to "SAFELY" run 17 psi on pump would negate the gains alot..
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05-16-2008, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
I think what people are saying is that your first post reads as if you made 100whp by just adding meth, that's all. Great tuning Julain -- everyone here knows you're top shelf.
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I probably should have clarified my statements..
I should have said "we were able to make alost 100hp additional tunning on meth".
Previous numbers on the car were 555@15psi the year before...
here is the old dyno..
05-16-2008, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Julian@MRC
Once again, meth does not make power by itself, it is not a "power adder"..Meth simply allows to run mre boost, more timing and a more agressive A/F mixture, a little bit safer on pump gas...
It also cools the AIT and boost charge a bit more..
Basically I added about 2 degrees timing and a conservative AF ratio of about 11.8, and raised the boost to 17 psi, something i would never do on pump gas, cause the amount of timing i would have to pull in addition to "SAFELY" run 17 psi on pump would negate the gains alot..
It also cools the AIT and boost charge a bit more..
Basically I added about 2 degrees timing and a conservative AF ratio of about 11.8, and raised the boost to 17 psi, something i would never do on pump gas, cause the amount of timing i would have to pull in addition to "SAFELY" run 17 psi on pump would negate the gains alot..
The addition of Meth definately makes a huge difference for how cheap it is compared to race gas!
05-16-2008, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ZweetZ
I understand all of that, your original post was just misleading....that's all. The addition of Meth definately makes a huge difference for how cheap it is compared to race gas!
The addition of Meth definately makes a huge difference for how cheap it is compared to race gas!
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Originally Posted by rrmedicx
I plan to run 100% meth and 93 octane.
Julian you still didn't answer my question...was Zoni running with 100% meth or a mix?
Julian you still didn't answer my question...was Zoni running with 100% meth or a mix?