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I've driven a couple fcon cars, I couldn't honestly tell any major differences between the utec (Again, I attribute this to the skills of my tuner). 
He (Tuan @ GRD) did a fantastic job and I was this close to jumping ship to fcon before I actually got the car back and actually drove it. Anyways, my point is that sometimes a stand alone isn't the only answer out there. I do know that many tuners prefer tuning with fcon (not becuase of profit margins), but because it is MUCH easier to tune. You dont need to play around and fiddle, and less of a PIA to get it right.
He (Tuan @ GRD) did a fantastic job and I was this close to jumping ship to fcon before I actually got the car back and actually drove it. Anyways, my point is that sometimes a stand alone isn't the only answer out there. I do know that many tuners prefer tuning with fcon (not becuase of profit margins), but because it is MUCH easier to tune. You dont need to play around and fiddle, and less of a PIA to get it right.
Originally Posted by doug
now go out and drive a FCon or Haltech car..
my Emanage Blue was smoother than my UTEC ..
my Emanage Blue was smoother than my UTEC ..
Originally Posted by doug
extremely sensitive? i don't know how you can make these assumptions and you have never done it.. you know how many 800/1000 whp streetable cars there are out there? LOTS
naturally with any car with High Horsepower you are going to be careful and adjust accordingly to control the power.. no one expects you to floor a 700 whp car.. you have to modulate your throttle.. just the same with 200 whp..
naturally with any car with High Horsepower you are going to be careful and adjust accordingly to control the power.. no one expects you to floor a 700 whp car.. you have to modulate your throttle.. just the same with 200 whp..
Im not saying just a "car" with that amount of HP but Z's staying on topic of this thread. Hence, my comment about rather building a Vette for higher HP to drive on the street. As far as how many Z's running those levels.... Lots? Where? I see more than a few, but also some of those are specialty cars. And how many are driven regularly? probably about ehhh, VERY few.
Originally Posted by synth19
I've driven a couple fcon cars, I couldn't honestly tell any major differences between the utec (Again, I attribute this to the skills of my tuner). He (Tuan @ GRD) did a fantastic job and I was this close to jumping ship to fcon before I actually got the car back and actually drove it. Anyways, my point is that sometimes a stand alone isn't the only answer out there. I do know that many tuners prefer tuning with fcon (not becuase of profit margins), but because it is MUCH easier to tune. You dont need to play around and fiddle, and less of a PIA to get it right.
He (Tuan @ GRD) did a fantastic job and I was this close to jumping ship to fcon before I actually got the car back and actually drove it. Anyways, my point is that sometimes a stand alone isn't the only answer out there. I do know that many tuners prefer tuning with fcon (not becuase of profit margins), but because it is MUCH easier to tune. You dont need to play around and fiddle, and less of a PIA to get it right.
Originally Posted by Driven1
Look what region I am from, know who I associate with, and who i am close friends with (you wouldn't know all from here though) and then tell me I haven't done it. You're making too many assumptions doug and I know you're better than that given your member status on here. And YES...extremely sensitive...especially when you start hitting the powerband.
Im not saying just a "car" with that amount of HP but Z's staying on topic of this thread. Hence, my comment about rather building a Vette for higher HP to drive on the street. As far as how many Z's running those levels.... Lots? Where? I see more than a few, but also some of those are specialty cars. And how many are driven regularly? probably about ehhh, VERY few.
Im not saying just a "car" with that amount of HP but Z's staying on topic of this thread. Hence, my comment about rather building a Vette for higher HP to drive on the street. As far as how many Z's running those levels.... Lots? Where? I see more than a few, but also some of those are specialty cars. And how many are driven regularly? probably about ehhh, VERY few.
FCon Vs UTEC
https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...46&postcount=1
that UTEC feeling maybe what you are talking about sensitive.. no joke my car felt slower with 500whp than 400whp because of the different in EMS
https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...46&postcount=1
Originally Posted by doug
Now let me say... i drove 400 whp with a UTEC and never blew my motor.. but after driving with the VPro.. i am a true believer when people say its so much smoother.. its amazing.. its so smooth the car doesn't feel as fast as it did with 400whp because the UTEC was so abrupt... it was great, but fails to compare with the VPro..
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Originally Posted by doug
since you don't like taking my Twin Turbo advice.. i am going to give you another piece of advice its in your BEST interest to TAKE..
if you want to be around here long enough.. yes you can look at my join date.. it is best that you don't argue with moderators.. if they tell you the sky is pink.. and you look out and its grey.. for all intesive purposes.. the sky is pink. On a web forum moderators are always right.. stop arguing with him.. cut your loses and move on.
if you want to be around here long enough.. yes you can look at my join date.. it is best that you don't argue with moderators.. if they tell you the sky is pink.. and you look out and its grey.. for all intesive purposes.. the sky is pink. On a web forum moderators are always right.. stop arguing with him.. cut your loses and move on.
And that is why some of the smartest tuners and motor heads out there stay away from forums but I get your point, Ill just put him on ignore
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Originally Posted by doug
i guess you never driven a turbo car before.. if you don't floor it you will never be in boost.. a stock Z is a dumb idea to floor when its raining also.. racing in the rain itself is dumb.. i am not quite sure why the rain comment would make any sense on a car with 525whp.. even a RWD car with 230whp 
I think all will agree that fcon is alot easier and smoother to tune, however, I'm just saying that Tuan did a GREAT job with the utec for my particular car, to the extent that I feel no need to upgrade to fcon. Now I'm not too sure how utec will hold up with greater power...
Originally Posted by doug
I'm sure Tuan is a great tuner.. but Sharif, Julian, Sam and Jeremy have also reported the FCon being much smoother than the UTEC.. i dont know how much better Tuan is than all 4 of those guys
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Originally Posted by iknowitsfast
Man, i never really gave the ST option a chance, but this is all good info. SC or TC? what to do...
I am also in between a turbo and s/c but leaning more towards a s/c for the auto-x that I do.Guys running a TT where do you start to boost? I should say what rpm?
Guys running a single at what rpm do you see boost at?
Originally Posted by synth19
I think all will agree that fcon is alot easier and smoother to tune, however, I'm just saying that Tuan did a GREAT job with the utec for my particular car, to the extent that I feel no need to upgrade to fcon. Now I'm not too sure how utec will hold up with greater power...
with the FCON its like driving a V8 .. it almost feels N/A .. the car is just smooth as the RPM's climb.. i am not the first member to report smoothness difference in the switch from UTEC to FCon.. i believe maximumsport just posted the same thing also..
Originally Posted by maximumsportZ
I think I covered majority of the main components.
Tuning: Jeremy is just amazing at what he does and it was truly a pleasure to watch him tame this beast. From having my old setup with the UTEC, the FCON truly blows it away in aspects of tuning which I finally got to see in person.
It honestly took Jeremy 2 days to fully tune my car to where he felt it was acceptable. He still requested me to come by for some even more detail tuning on the street. But I have to say picking up the car tonight and driving it around, it drives extremely smooth.
Tuning: Jeremy is just amazing at what he does and it was truly a pleasure to watch him tame this beast. From having my old setup with the UTEC, the FCON truly blows it away in aspects of tuning which I finally got to see in person.
It honestly took Jeremy 2 days to fully tune my car to where he felt it was acceptable. He still requested me to come by for some even more detail tuning on the street. But I have to say picking up the car tonight and driving it around, it drives extremely smooth.
Originally Posted by phat04350z
And people want to ban this thread... I am also in between a turbo and s/c but leaning more towards a s/c for the auto-x that I do.
Guys running a TT where do you start to boost? I should say what rpm?
Guys running a single at what rpm do you see boost at?
I am also in between a turbo and s/c but leaning more towards a s/c for the auto-x that I do.Guys running a TT where do you start to boost? I should say what rpm?
Guys running a single at what rpm do you see boost at?
http://music.rudeboyriders.com/galle...88-2/dyno2.jpg
I could be wrong, but isn't the utec 2D while the fcon is 3D in how they handle load vs boost vs rpm
As I understand it, with the utec you can choose 2 out of those 3 variables to tune on while the fcon can program all 3
With the utec, don't most tuners choose WOT as a fixed "load" and then tune the boost and rpm tables seperately
As I understand it, with the utec you can choose 2 out of those 3 variables to tune on while the fcon can program all 3
With the utec, don't most tuners choose WOT as a fixed "load" and then tune the boost and rpm tables seperately
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Originally Posted by sentry65
I could be wrong, but isn't the utec 2D while the fcon is 3D in how they handle load vs boost vs rpm
As I understand it, with the utec you can choose 2 out of those 3 variables to tune on while the fcon can program all 3
With the utec, don't most tuners choose WOT as a fixed "load" and then tune the boost and rpm tables seperately
As I understand it, with the utec you can choose 2 out of those 3 variables to tune on while the fcon can program all 3
With the utec, don't most tuners choose WOT as a fixed "load" and then tune the boost and rpm tables seperately
That would solve the smoothness issue
Originally Posted by phat04350z
doug - why you think the Fcon is soo much smoother? More maps? Or just a faster output and input of readings? Can this unit tune each injector?
Originally Posted by sentry65
the smoothness issue with the utec that most people have is going from non-WOT to WOT
the Fcon's tables are 32x32 and I think the utec's are 16x16 or maybe 10x16, but I forget
I think the fcon has a faster processor than the utec, but I'm not absolutely sure. It might not
I'm also not sure if the Fcon's and utec's processors are 16 or 32 bit
I think the fcon has a faster processor than the utec, but I'm not absolutely sure. It might not
I'm also not sure if the Fcon's and utec's processors are 16 or 32 bit
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