1000whp 350z built by MRC
Originally Posted by sean1967
Let me verfiy before I go off putting my foot in my mouth, but I think it's stock internals and a used APS kit.
BRB.
BRB.
yes... and Z-Tuned... as i posted... its obvious PAS mag is victim of the owners lies... and in this case if a shop make the fake list it probably the one that did some of the "other" work but not mrc, cause they know this thread would have happened. So, its ok... everybody makes mistakes and get lied by a people... PASmag thought that this "award" winning Z was all that its claimed to be but as you can see from this thread you clearly know its not the truth at all... many fake parts, etc etc etc...
So its fair for PasMag to make note of that in their article in the next issue as warning that anybody trying to get their cars in the magazine better not lie to them about "what they have in their car". And they have the responsability to rectify that cause they didnt jsut qupted the owner but used his lies to make a sensationalistic article.... again, not their fault, any magazine woudl have, but THEY GOT lied. They owe to themselves and to the readers to show what happens when you lie to them. So its not just about lets blame PASmag, its about defending them actually and hoping they take action.
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Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for those saying they will never buy the mag...were you buying it before?
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Originally Posted by hardrock905
So to summarize, you will continue to take the word of the car owner as far as power claims and you will not attempt to verify these claims.
Wow. Keep up the good work.
BTW, I have a 1200whp z I would like you to do an article on. Give me a call.
Wow. Keep up the good work.
BTW, I have a 1200whp z I would like you to do an article on. Give me a call.
Do us a favor and do a search on the "175hp" SpecV and the "320hp 5.4sec" SVT Cobra in '99 and how the manufacturers claims were off, yet those numbers were published everywhere.
not the best argument IMO.
printing a quote that is unbelievable is not a pass card for printing it, accepting it or putting it on your cover. is the trick to claim a really, really large nitrous (NOS lol) shot to make the numbers seem believable no matter what? you took the unverified quote and put it on your cover which means what?
that you now took it out of the quoting context and turned it into a fact.
Even accepting a car for a feature let alone a cover car that makes a pretty outrageous claim, and unverified (and not even calling the shop to check up!) is shady as-is. I would have laughed him away, or simply not mentioned it. if you thought his visuals and audio were good enough on thier own to feature it wouldn't have been necessary.
printing a quote that is unbelievable is not a pass card for printing it, accepting it or putting it on your cover. is the trick to claim a really, really large nitrous (NOS lol) shot to make the numbers seem believable no matter what? you took the unverified quote and put it on your cover which means what?
that you now took it out of the quoting context and turned it into a fact.
Even accepting a car for a feature let alone a cover car that makes a pretty outrageous claim, and unverified (and not even calling the shop to check up!) is shady as-is. I would have laughed him away, or simply not mentioned it. if you thought his visuals and audio were good enough on thier own to feature it wouldn't have been necessary.
This is Dave with PAS Mag, the same guy who ran Modified Mag from 02-06 and Luxury & Exotics mag for a couple years. Although the board makes some excellent points, the blame is misplaced. Many owners (AND, YES MANUFACTURERS) stretch the truth on their specs, performance and hp numbers. Its part of the scene and you need to acknowledge it. Some owners lie, exaggerate and often make several mistakes on the spec sheets for their cars. I correct plenty of those daily.
I heard some poster call for a mandatory dyno? My designers could make a perfect fake in under 10 minutes and dynos can be adjusted...so that means nothing.
So as much as you want to claim sensationalism or question our street cred, any liability is on the owner for their own claims. We put the hp claims in "quotes" and will often put (est.) for estimated in other articles if there is no verification. As for the parts, the turbo specs etc...how on earth can that all be verified? I have never seen this car or met the owner. We can't possibly be putting it up on a hoist to check every mod. And do we perform a teardown of engines and trannies that claim beefed up internals?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for those saying they will never buy the mag...were you buying it before? We can't possibly fact check and verify everything, even the New York Times with 1000s of staff got in trouble for false statements. But there are 1000s of correct statements in this same issue with 2 editors that I doubt we will get a pat on the back for. And claiming other mags never publish sketchy info...we all had a good laugh there.
I believed the car did not have enough fuel to get that hp but since its such new territory for VQ35s and didn't know the details of the NX direct port couldn't disprove it.
Either way, if you haven't picked up the PAS Mag lately, you should. I'm gradually bringing more performance and competition to the book, we have a project Z and a project GT-R. We just did a complete VQ Crower stroker buildup and have some great tests and reviews coming up.
I'll be happy to forward the Z cover car owner this link and let him defend himself and his actions.
Thanks for reading.
I get it, and yes I had a subscription to PAS, Turbo, Modified, D-sport, and Import Tuner. Like I stated earlier. Its one thing to lie about power numbers, and another thing to put yourself in the exclusive club of putting out more than 1400 crank horsepower out of a VQ. I realize not all numbers can be verified, but with such a grandiose claim, this one should have been.
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I pointed out Nissan and Ford got spanked for massaging their numbers and they were published all over the place. They still are posted up on some websites and you still buy Nissans.
Or how about these perpetuated quotes "no new taxes" or "weapons of mass destruction"
Prolly bad examples but again...we're busy, deadlines looming and I'm going to get back to work.
I will however, get the owner to sign up here and address. IF anything concrete is put forth on either side I may publish it.
Or how about these perpetuated quotes "no new taxes" or "weapons of mass destruction"
Prolly bad examples but again...we're busy, deadlines looming and I'm going to get back to work.
I will however, get the owner to sign up here and address. IF anything concrete is put forth on either side I may publish it.
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this is like subscribing to a ski magazine and finding out none of the staff knows how to ski.and the best you can come up with is "everybody else is doing it".what kind of content can i look foward to next month?tell me how you are going to be better than the rest,i don't want to hear that the industry has suck *** magazines and i need to deal with it because it's the industry standard to embellish and lie.
Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
I pointed out Nissan and Ford got spanked for massaging their numbers and they were published all over the place. They still are posted up on some websites and you still buy Nissans.
Or how about these perpetuated quotes "no new taxes" or "weapons of mass destruction"
Prolly bad examples but again...we're busy, deadlines looming and I'm going to get back to work.
I will however, get the owner to sign up here and address. IF anything concrete is put forth on either side I may publish it.
Or how about these perpetuated quotes "no new taxes" or "weapons of mass destruction"
Prolly bad examples but again...we're busy, deadlines looming and I'm going to get back to work.
I will however, get the owner to sign up here and address. IF anything concrete is put forth on either side I may publish it.
Originally Posted by Bullitproof
I get it, and yes I had a subscription to PAS, Turbo, Modified, D-sport, and Import Tuner. Like I stated earlier. Its one thing to lie about power numbers, and another thing to put yourself in the exclusive club of putting out more than 1400 crank horsepower out of a VQ. I realize not all numbers can be verified, but with such a grandiose claim, this one should have been.
Maybe their magazine needs a technical advisor who is knowledgable in the Z/G platforms.I think the responses by Z-Tuned are as much of a cop out as those of his co-worker. Quit making **** poor excuses and just admit that you guys F'ed up on this article/feature.
Anyone with a little bit of knowledge about the Z/G would have known that this car owner is full of sh*t.Putting the owner's claims in quotes isn't good enough IMO and shouldn't alleviate or eliminate your responsibility as editors to do a better job of getting the facts straight before publishing. Like I said before... doing anything less is TABLOID JOURNALISM.
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can you put my car in your magazine? i want the ladies of T-Dot to know i have a large ***** before right before Caribana
You should have wrote it this way "large *****" , that way when they find out that you lied about it being large, you can say it was in quotes.
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Originally Posted by coachk
You should have wrote it this way "large *****" , that way when they find out that you lied about it being large, you can say it was in quotes.
Originally Posted by hardrock905
So to summarize, you will continue to take the word of the car owner as far as power claims and you will not attempt to verify these claims.
Wow. Keep up the good work.
BTW, I have a 1200whp z I would like you to do an article on. Give me a call.
Wow. Keep up the good work.
BTW, I have a 1200whp z I would like you to do an article on. Give me a call.
Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
The sarcasm isn't necessary. He said 925whp and we put it in a quote from him. A quote in the world of journalism means whoever said it is responsible, not the reporter.
Do us a favor and do a search on the "175hp" SpecV and the "320hp 5.4sec" SVT Cobra in '99 and how the manufacturers claims were off, yet those numbers were published everywhere.
Do us a favor and do a search on the "175hp" SpecV and the "320hp 5.4sec" SVT Cobra in '99 and how the manufacturers claims were off, yet those numbers were published everywhere.
Hell...I am claiming 1100 whp and trust me...if you call Sharif....he would tell you that its all a joke. This is a large community, and I am sure that there is a lot of members on here that reads your magazine...so the best way to shut us all up is to say "We will print a retraction in the next issue" instead of coming on here back paddling.
BTW...if anyone speaks to Dr Doug...let him know that my sig is just a joke. I know when he saw it...he decided not to come to the Big Dawg event after he got called out.
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Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
I believed the car did not have enough fuel to get that hp but since its such new territory for VQ35s and didn't know the details of the NX direct port couldn't disprove it.
I knew the minute I saw the cover.. and no, I am not FI.
Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
Either way, if you haven't picked up the PAS Mag lately, you should. I'm gradually bringing more performance and competition to the book, we have a project Z and a project GT-R. We just did a complete VQ Crower stroker buildup and have some great tests and reviews coming up.
I'll be happy to forward the Z cover car owner this link and let him defend himself and his actions.
Thanks for reading.
I'll be happy to forward the Z cover car owner this link and let him defend himself and his actions.
Thanks for reading.
-Project Z/VQ Crower Stroker build up_
^I assume this is the owners (PAS) vehicle that was completed by AMS?
Will they be performing the Dyno runs?
-Project GT-R-
^I assume this is your rhd r32?
So when the stock block "APS TT 350z" stomped you on the highway it was time for an upgrade?
Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
I will however, get the owner to sign up here and address. IF anything concrete is put forth on either side I may publish it.
we already know that the #'s were fabricated from his dillusions of grandeur.
But for PAS magazine to publish the article without attempting to substantiate his claims, puts to question the publishers/editors integrity and the integrity of the magazine itself.
Its sad to see a local magazine do this to bump sales...
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I thought we resolved our beef?I said broad VQ knowledge? I'd like to see that post. I only pointed out Injected was using a Brian Crower stroker kit when you said GTM was the only one on the market?!
1. No the stroker VQ is not being built by AMS
2. Yeah I got a couple tweaks
Lemme get this straight ... that "APS TT" owner (who happens to be a cool guy) outruns my GT-R 60mph yet it is full weight, pump gas, 10psi, stock block, stock turbos and lays down only 340whp, is a big deal? It made total sense to me. I'm sorry, I'll have to shoot him an invite for some of our trackdays though you are welcome too.I have no problem writing a follow up to that article and have asked the owner to get on here and man up.
Again thanks for everyones input.
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Originally Posted by Z-Tuned
I have no problem writing a follow up to that article and have asked the owner to get on here and man up.Again thanks for everyones input.
Hi Z-tuned,
No beef here, just making a comment and posting my personal opinion.
1. Thank you
2. But your gtr had a built block, and a load of other upgrades?
.. at least that was the word on the street.. I guess the rumors were wrong, my bad
-Yes the owner (aps tt) is a very cool guy
-Your calling me out to track? But I'm the, how did you say it, "the exhaust with intake guy".. Yet, you want to race me at the track?
Back OT,
Your approach to this situation is quite unprofessional.
I expected much more from PAS and their employees.
EDIT: I look forward to that issue.
No beef here, just making a comment and posting my personal opinion.
1. Thank you
2. But your gtr had a built block, and a load of other upgrades?
.. at least that was the word on the street.. I guess the rumors were wrong, my bad-Yes the owner (aps tt) is a very cool guy
-Your calling me out to track? But I'm the, how did you say it, "the exhaust with intake guy".. Yet, you want to race me at the track?
Back OT,
Your approach to this situation is quite unprofessional.
I expected much more from PAS and their employees.
EDIT: I look forward to that issue.
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Originally Posted by Reality350
2. But your gtr had a built block, and a load of other upgrades?.. at least that was the word on the street.. I guess the rumors were wrong, my bad
-Yes the owner (aps tt) is a very cool guy
-Your calling me out to track? But I'm the, how did you say it, "the exhaust with intake guy".. Yet, you want to race me at the track?
.. at least that was the word on the street.. I guess the rumors were wrong, my bad-Yes the owner (aps tt) is a very cool guy
-Your calling me out to track? But I'm the, how did you say it, "the exhaust with intake guy".. Yet, you want to race me at the track?
No sorry to disappoint ya, the GT-R hasn't got much done to the motor - thats just more rumors. Its more of a balanced track car and the recently sponsored Garrett GT2860s won't be stressed out to get "the number" but tuned for the twisties.
I'm interested to see how this thread sparks up if the owner ever chimes in.
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