TURBONETICS and smoking????
05-07-2008, 01:16 PM
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TURBONETICS and smoking????
just got my Brand new Turbonetics on last week drove for bout an hour or so that nite and broek an axle sinday so its been laid up for a few days,today i got it out let it warm up to temp, went up the road went to step in to the throttle a little bit and blueish smoke poured out the tail pipe, i have an 05 performance nonrevup , the TN kit has the water line kit, and I installed the AAM pan spacer and line kit, i had not noticed the smoke before when running it thus it was dark out and no one was behind me,my question is what the h$ll is going on here ? i re checked every thing it seems fine, is my return line not flowing good enough? i called turbonetices they said there has been some problems with the aam pan spacer and line kit with there kit, i called AAM they said either pcv lines are pinched,or i dont have the return line run right. any help here would be great.
05-07-2008, 02:33 PM
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why even use a spacer in the first place. im running no spacers with only a tapped stock oil pan. Personaly, i think spacers are just for bling factor.
Think of it this way. The more you change, the more the risk of messing up. If its not too late, return the spacer and get your money back.
either way, you're blowin blue smoke cuz you are burnin oil. maybe rings??? Compression test it. idk what it could be though.
Think of it this way. The more you change, the more the risk of messing up. If its not too late, return the spacer and get your money back.
either way, you're blowin blue smoke cuz you are burnin oil. maybe rings??? Compression test it. idk what it could be though.
05-07-2008, 02:42 PM
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Where is your line tapped into to the block or the spacer? I would be safe to assume you have it tapped to the spacer and not what is recommended as the oil drain needs to be ABOVE the oil level and NOT BELOW it.
05-07-2008, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 350 Rookie
why even use a spacer in the first place. im running no spacers with only a tapped stock oil pan. Personaly, i think spacers are just for bling factor.
Think of it this way. The more you change, the more the risk of messing up. If its not too late, return the spacer and get your money back.
either way, you're blowin blue smoke cuz you are burnin oil. maybe rings??? Compression test it. idk what it could be though.
Think of it this way. The more you change, the more the risk of messing up. If its not too late, return the spacer and get your money back.
either way, you're blowin blue smoke cuz you are burnin oil. maybe rings??? Compression test it. idk what it could be though.
05-07-2008, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed 718
Where is your line tapped into to the block or the spacer? I would be safe to assume you have it tapped to the spacer and not what is recommended as the oil drain needs to be ABOVE the oil level and NOT BELOW it.
05-07-2008, 03:06 PM
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i get off at 11pm im going home pulling the line off the spacer and expexting to see oil run out of the spacer if so drill the block i will.
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05-07-2008, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 350 Rookie
Drill the block?
later, ill take a picture of my setup and show you how its supposed to be done.
later, ill take a picture of my setup and show you how its supposed to be done.
05-07-2008, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed 718
Yeah either remove the spacer all together or simply make sure your drain is ABOVE the oil level.
05-07-2008, 03:44 PM
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SC 350Z,
The problem that some people have had with taping their oil pan itself is cracking of the oil pan. What the spacer allows for is an easy solution for oil return without risk of cracking the oil pan. The spacer was designed to allow 6 quarts of oil to be put into the motor without any issue of oil return to the pan.
The idea behind the spacer is so simple that I would not look to it as the cause of your problem. If you checked your PCV Line for any restriction and the oil return line for spots that might be hindering oil flow (sections that flow up or straight) and that turns up nothing then aside from a bad turbo the only thing I would assume is that you have too much motor oil in the engine.
My only fear is that you are going to go through the trouble of taping your oil pan and once you have that done you are going to realize that the oil return was not the problem. I do wish you the best of luck in discovering the problem and if you have any questions free to give me a call back.
The problem that some people have had with taping their oil pan itself is cracking of the oil pan. What the spacer allows for is an easy solution for oil return without risk of cracking the oil pan. The spacer was designed to allow 6 quarts of oil to be put into the motor without any issue of oil return to the pan.
The idea behind the spacer is so simple that I would not look to it as the cause of your problem. If you checked your PCV Line for any restriction and the oil return line for spots that might be hindering oil flow (sections that flow up or straight) and that turns up nothing then aside from a bad turbo the only thing I would assume is that you have too much motor oil in the engine.
My only fear is that you are going to go through the trouble of taping your oil pan and once you have that done you are going to realize that the oil return was not the problem. I do wish you the best of luck in discovering the problem and if you have any questions free to give me a call back.
05-07-2008, 03:51 PM
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I don't think the oil pan spacer return is the issue. As long as the turbo is above the lowest point of return the oil will enter the pan even if the return is below the oil level.
What I would like to know is what your AFR was when you dyno'd the car and what your maximum boost is on your gauge. I think another compression test is in order here. If the tuebo seal was blown (which happens over time) then you would only have blue smoke comming off WOT. Sounds like you blew your motor.
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What I would like to know is what your AFR was when you dyno'd the car and what your maximum boost is on your gauge. I think another compression test is in order here. If the tuebo seal was blown (which happens over time) then you would only have blue smoke comming off WOT. Sounds like you blew your motor.
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05-07-2008, 04:41 PM
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havent dynoed yet, didnt hit and boost yet was parked idling for 45mins or so to burn off all the oils in the pipes, then drove out driveway bout an 1/8th mile then a 1/4 mile stopped and turned around i barley got out of vacuum and was almost into boost and the afr was good before i let off, plus this motor was just rebuilt the motor is not blown!
05-07-2008, 05:28 PM
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If the motor was freshly rebuilt, then it is normal to see some blue smoke until the rings seat ..... assuming you have less then a mile on it like it seems, then i wouldn't worry about it. Make sure you have a good non synthetic oil in the car (non detergent is even better).... take the car out and do a few light throttle pulls going a bit higher in the rev each time, but always let the engine slow the car ... using the engine to decelerate the car will help the rings to seal much quicker. You should see the smoking problem get less w/ each decel.
As far as oil like placement, i prefer to tap them as high as possible in the pan so you do have it above the oil fill line. This can be a bit of a pain on the turbonetics kit though. i would still leave the spacer, as long as its sealed properly it can only help things out.
As far as oil like placement, i prefer to tap them as high as possible in the pan so you do have it above the oil fill line. This can be a bit of a pain on the turbonetics kit though. i would still leave the spacer, as long as its sealed properly it can only help things out.
05-07-2008, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fstrnldr
If the motor was freshly rebuilt, then it is normal to see some blue smoke until the rings seat ..... assuming you have less then a mile on it like it seems, then i wouldn't worry about it. Make sure you have a good non synthetic oil in the car (non detergent is even better).... take the car out and do a few light throttle pulls going a bit higher in the rev each time, but always let the engine slow the car ... using the engine to decelerate the car will help the rings to seal much quicker. You should see the smoking problem get less w/ each decel.
As far as oil like placement, i prefer to tap them as high as possible in the pan so you do have it above the oil fill line. This can be a bit of a pain on the turbonetics kit though. i would still leave the spacer, as long as its sealed properly it can only help things out.
As far as oil like placement, i prefer to tap them as high as possible in the pan so you do have it above the oil fill line. This can be a bit of a pain on the turbonetics kit though. i would still leave the spacer, as long as its sealed properly it can only help things out.