Congrats on getting everything sorted out - its a friggin headache that is unmeasurable when there are issues esp after $$$ was dropped., Just glad it was something not so major....

 

I would say you could run my MT DR's on Welds, but they won't fit over brembo's. Well, at least the car is back and running.....one step at a time I suppose.

 

- ninja edit.

PM sent.

 

whew.. glad to hear everything is ok man , looks like you dont have to spend money on a third motor . now go get that 848 or 11198.

 

Most of you that know me, know that I dont really give 2 $hits about dyno numbers.

Recently, there have been some people (these f@gs know who they are) who have questioned my dynos, why Ive never posted graphs, etc. Reason being above.

I was at my car this weekend, and started to get it ready for this season, put the Varis duct back in the new "to me" bumper, pulled the dead battery for replacement, etc, etc.

I pulled the dedicated laptop from the Z to get it out of the heat, and found the DYNOS FROM MY PFS RE-TUNE, and they even have the boost graphs. BC3 cams, Haltech, no port work on heads, 18G Greddy kit, 3" Dp w/dumps, APS 3" TD exhaust. Nothing special here, just parts that work well together and good tuning. IMO-this is an ideal pump gas monster.

Dynos are self explanatory, the last one is on meth and is very "conservative". Before anyone says anything notice they are not smoothed out. Also keep in mind I only shift past 7000rpm's in lower gears for racing, so I dont truly care what the car does from 7000-8000rpm's, if I did I would have a bigger turbo kit + intake manifold.

Also note I WILL NOT share the 20psi + meth numbers (have to keep something to myself right?), but will tell you @ 20psi these little snails make 681ft/lbs of TQ

Enjoy, or hate on, either way you can see why I kinda laugh at the 20G numbers we are accustomed to seeing.

13.5psi pump



edit-car is officially back out on the scene and I have to take down higher numbers, sorry guys, local guys look me up....

 

Very impressive, your combo seems to work very well together!

 

Weaksauce






J/K.... Looks like I'm gonna have to spend some more $$$$ if I want a showdown to be any fun at all

 

Now you see why I chuckle and comment on all these 20G numbers and different setups people try to promote as being better than 18G's.

Obviously the little turbines lead to the TQ curve up top, especially at high boost, but overall the powerband is kick a$$ IMO, look at low boost TQ curve its over 500ft/lbs from 3500-6000rpm's.....regarding the parts like I said nothing special, and it can dish out a$$ whoopings without any "I'll race you tomorrow so I can mix some race fuel" BS...

http://<span style="color:Red">www.p...ars.com</span> - I owe it all to Ray, as the car just wasnt "awake" immediately after the rebuild.

We'll see what the summer brings!

 

Yeah, I have to admit, this kinda makes it seem like the $1600 bucks I spent on the upgrade 18G - 20G's (since I had to rebuild them anyway) was kinda not really worth it. Oh well.

Original Factory made 20G turbo's would most likely outperform my set-up with the appropriate supporting mods & bigger piping & intercooler anyway. Who cares. I am gonna enjoy the car for what its worth. Again, not trying to break any records, just have a good all around car.
And a good/great all-around car is what you have accomplished. Even moreso, since no-one can seem to touch your numbers anyway. (when comparing 18G to 18G Greddy's)
Congrats Berto!
So I guess you have now a sense of restored confidence in your car since the fiasco with the fan failure? I remember you stating something along the lines of you not really being too sure how much abuse the car can take, I guess you were a little apprehensive about the status of the heads at that point. Still trying to assess if there was a head-lift issue at that time. Glad to see that all resolved and your back in the game. Good News. Oh and thanks for sharing the Dyno graphs. At least now I can see how the BC3's work in other similar car set-ups.

 

rrmedix-my updated post wasnt directed at you, rather at some of the people in your thread that only laugh or imply Im lying out of ignorance.

Your car is beast, enjoy it. I posted it to put an end to the doubts, when I realized they had boost graphs even better no doubt anymore.

This car made 540whp IIRC @ 13psi on a DJ on Sharif's tune, with no change in parts it all changed with the PFS tune. Sometimes people think their tuners are "godly", then they realize there are guys/shops who have been tuning for 10+years not just 5 or 6....

Take it for what its worth, my car may dyno 550whp @ 13psi now for all I know, doesnt matter to me its quick. Id go out on a limb and say Id give ANY street Z on these forums a handfull on a pump vs pump run, any of them.

Regarding trusting the car, ehh not so much I have to start driving it more to regain something. It has nothing to do with the tunes or power, but rather living with the decision to resleeve it, but thats been discussed to death!

 

Alberto,
Nice numbers.
Looks like I would expect....the quick spool of the 18g's (giving all the torque) then the cams carrying the power....

Even though you aren't concerned with 7-8k (same here unless its a spirited, "test"), pretty impressive how the stock mani is allowing power. That seems to be the big bottleneck when pushing air.

I know what ya mean of people saying junk...I got lots of PM's saying, why don't your turbos do this do that at 15psi?....but my turbos weren't even working at 25psi, where most other setups can't even get there....just different strokes for different folks

We need a traveling event to get people connected more!!!!!!

tom

 

Thanks Tom

Ive thought about giving in and trying a Cosworth or the CJ intake, but havent decided if its worth it on this setup. I could always run race gas and bump the timing for power but thats not what Im after.

 

That's a lot more midrange torque than I expected with the BC3 cams. I think they are a good choice for the DE motor... Thanks for posting the graphs. 3.3 final drive and 8k rpms makes for some of the longest gears and broadest powerband on a Z - nice! You have over 500 wtq from 3500 to 7000 on your 17 psi map!

 

well that was my thread, not rrmedix. I not once laughed at your #'s. I laughed at the way you sh@t on everyone else's #s. My thread was about 20g potential. it was not about comparing your setup with a 20g.

I'm glad and impressed that your tuner has pushed your car to 100% of its ability while losing all of its reliability.

Why you continue to call names is beyond me. But I am extremely flattered you made some charts just for me.

 

Here comes the BS...what sleeved street setup is reliable?

Better yet what 650+whp car designed for 287hp form the factory can be called reliable?

None, none at all, glad you got the point of my update.

I dont $hit on peoples numbers I have a hard time understanding why people upgrade things when almost nobody has pushed the standard kits far. I have yet to see ONE 20G kit pushed, so its all specualation till somebody nuts up and does it like I did here on pump with this tired a$$ kit with 14K miles on it.

For you to make a statement about my tuner is BS.

Remind me again who is your tuner? What kit do you run and what numbers do they make?

 

Dash,
When I was deciding on cams the thought of the BC3's giving up a lot of mid-range tq for high end power kept bugging me....but the more dyno's I saw the less this came to life.

I said in a thread somewhere on here, that assuming that the only difference between 2 dyno's on BC's website compairing the Stage 2's and Stage 3's (2 separate graphs, I overlayed them myself) is the cams, the stage 3's make more power and tq across whole band....again making assumption all else is equal.

I think one thing that people like about the stage 2's at this point is they "can" run stock springs/shims.....but I'm guessing you'd be getting some valve float up top with stock springs/shims regardless of the cams.

just my thoughts.
Tom

 

I was going to go with BC2 but I guess BC3 are just as good or better?... your car always seems to amaze me alberto, I cannot wait to see more of this beast this summer, which is right around the corner. Awesome stuff!! thumbs up to you sir

 

they statement about your tuner is that he pushes the boundary's more than your previous one. plain and simple. there was no underlying meaning..

RRmedic has BC3 cams (or at least thats what one video said) and his powerband is way different. A real testament to some solid dyno time and probably cam tuning.

And I agree 100% with you about overbuilding and under tuning.

We got off on the wrong foot. We probably agree on most everything, just have a different way of expressing....

But ya, you should have a fun summer. hopefully you found another spare for the skinnies

 

Just because the numbers are higher at a given psi doesnt mean its pushing the setup.

What if I told you XXX shop and the "norm" they put out numbers wise are actually way too conservative? Too much of anything (pushing or trying to be conservative) is a bad thing, and in the hands of some people (like me and my driving habits) they both end in disaster.

Im not here to say my tuner is better than yours. Im just sharing my experience, and that was somewhat explained in the above paragraph. We'll see how long this motor lasts at this power.

 

Is it safe to turn a turbo motor that high? 8,000 seems like its well into NA range out of safe FI territory.