First off...that comment was not directed at you, I answered your question in a separate post.

I know that whatever I say, it will most likely not change your mindset as you have already decided who is at fault in my case.

But just to reiterate,

1) The HG could have been faulty to begin with, or the engine's head to short block seal could have been damaged in transit. But it was an easy fix. What else would you have done? Kick up a fuss and send the engine back?

2) The engine's performance was good. It developed 700+whp with no problems and ran about 3000 miles before we decide to send it back to GTM because of the moisture that is visible on the oil cap.

3) When Sam told me that one of the sleeve has been damaged, we discussed options. He said that he could give me a new sleeved shortblock and reassemble the sleeved 4.2 or I could go with a non sleeved 4.0. I chose the non sleeved option and at the same time asked for a few other upgrades.

Since I will be getting new head (stage 2), crank shaft, pistons, piston rods, cams and also several other options, I expected to pay something.

Think of it as trading in a 1st generation GTR for a 2nd generation GTR. You know that the transmission is weak in the first gen, and heard that they have strengthened it in the 2nd gen, could you do the trade without topping up with cash?

Sam offered me a 4.2L at no cost or changing to a whole other engine at a subsidized rate. What else could I ask for? Get the 4.0 for free?

At the end of the day, it is up to individuals how they settle problems. Some like to blow up the problem and be a victim. Some want to exploit the problem and victimize. And some will work with the other party to come up with a fair solution.

 

When I heard Brent say that GTM would not warranty his motor, because he was planning on taking the Z on the salt flats, that's when I know that they were not the right engine builder for me.

 

THIS is great news. I hope something positive is gained from all parties. Good luck Rome.

 

As some have posted before, what we can really all learn and SEE from this is that nobody OR shop is perfect. All people make mistakes but what counts the most is how they fix those mistakes.

I wont lie, I am a GTM costumer and have been for a year now and im up to 3XXXX figures into the build. Is Sam perfect? No. Does he frustrate me sometimes? Yes(sorry Sam haha). But from seeing and talking to him mutiple times, he is a great guy and has always been very very straight foward with me and I thank him for that. He does great service, from when I was N/A to now, which has been a frustrating but great experience and I would not go to any other shop if I had to do it all over.

Do I think GTM is to blame or MRC? Honestly, even though I am a costumer of Sam I still have to say that both have things they BOTH need to resolve and work out between themselves and the COSTUMERS.

Whatever it does come down to, I really hope that r0mey does get his car back up and running and both parties come to some kind of agreement and do the right thing. Like I stated, nobody is perfect people, just remember that.

 

I think this thread will make GTM customer service and engine builders get better. Now every work they do will be magnified. GTM is the only shop that ever touched my car since I went FI. I definitely DO NOT consider myself a "Nuthugger" of GTM and my first visit/job they did to my car was NOT the best experienced at all ( almost created a thread about it). I gave them another shot, since then they have been taking care of me very well. George is always a good support with all the PMs I sent to him and he would get back to me ASAP.

Hope with this post Sam can hook me up with a discounted Built Shortblock...

 

what a damn shame. Julian has been nothing but good to me.

 

Someone sent this to me today and I thought it be fitting here .

An Obituary printed in the London Times........ Interesting and sadly rather true.

Today, we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has
been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his
birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be
remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

* Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
* Why the early bird gets the worm;
* Life isn't always fair;
* and maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more
than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are incharge).
His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but
overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy
charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from
school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding
an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job
that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent
to administer sun lotion or an Aspirin to a student; but could not inform
parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion!!!!!????
Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and
criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a
beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home
and the burglar could sue you for assault..

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her
lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.
Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust his
wife, Discretion his daughter, Responsibility his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
* I Know My Rights
* I Want It Now
* Someone Else Is To Blame
* I'm A Victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you
still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothin






Julian...I bellieve your intentions are good and this thread got out of hand as all of GTM threads do . Im sure every one here with common sense knows what is what and who is who .

 

+1 I also sent him a PM on another site

<----all I hear is crickets in regards to the oil analysis "discussion"

 

+1,but you forgot to put my name on the list of those who have asked embarassing questions(for gtm) that go ignored or worse talked in circles by rv salesmen.someone raised a good point....why is he a sponsor?

 

[QUOTE=discom;6493453]LOL..I think you are referring to me. I am not from Japan...as my post in G35driver stated, I am from Singapore...which is nowhere near Sapporo

Deep pockets? I guess you can call it an expensive hobby. But when you consider a G35 here cost USD95k...that is right...ninety five...it does not seem so expensive relatively.

Some of you may think that GTM should have warrantied my 4.2L, but because of my experience with the original 4.2L and on the advise of my engine guy and tuner, I decided to stay away from sleeves.

So I opted for the non sleeved stage 2 4.0L. I was told this longblock with the options I specified will cost about USD20+K, Sam charged me 7k for it. Some of you will say that I should not have to pay anything for it.

But I have been modding cars for a long time and have my own idea of how the game is played. I knew when I bought the sleeved 4.2L that I will be playing the part of pioneer as not many people had installed it. I had no illusions that it will be a straight install with no problems down the road.

As I mentioned before, when the engine was returned to GTM, it was still running well with no overheating problems, it was still putting out 700+whp. But we were worried about the moisture under the oil cap, so we decided to send the car back to GTM for them to analyze.

So for me, getting the 4.0 is like trading in a first generation GTR with transmission problems for a second generation GTR with strengthened transmission. Of course when you trade up, you have to pay something...thus the 7000.

sorry i saw the hks japan and that stuck in my head when i posted,moisture in the crankcase indicates a blown headgasket it's just a different symptom.my problem is that gtm called the motors 1000whp and most failed well below that #.you motor was 30% below stated rating and was showing signs of trouble.gtm offers warranty for their motors but no one seems to get satisfaction with gtm using "tuner" or "assembler" or "installer" excuses regardless of the obvious patterns.how much did he say the 4.0 was worth us dollars?

 

I find it ironic that GTM rates their products for 1,000whp when they have never produced a single 1,000+whp car. How the hell would they know if their products can take 1,000whp?!?!?!???

 

Very wise Eric-san!!!!

 

+1 made me bust out my cricket

 

 

No jealousy whatsoever - I can assure you, my car has *A LOT* more go than yours, and I didn't need a saladbar ricer wing to do it. Lol~

 

I take direct offense to that comment

 

^ Nice...

 

My dad can beat up your dad........

 

oh man that's low..

 

/\ Nice car... IMHO, It's not rice at all if it sees track time, and actually has the performance to back up the look. If it doesn't then it's rice.