If you are reading the G35Driver thread . Did you notice that both George and Sam tried to make it look like Julian [ MRC ] was the only one that has gotten bad motors from them ? Then Julian proceded to name the shops that he knew of that have recieved questionable motors from GTM .

 

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Plus I hate when I cant pick sides

 

Ha yea I noticed that also. George and Sam both along with all of GTM are looking pretty shady right about now. "Wait for a formal responce." Come on what a bunch of BS. More like wait for us to think of a way to word that we suck and still make ourselves look good.

Since this has come to light on the motors from GTM how about later on I bring forward along with my buddy John "Black350z" how Sam and GTM tried to screw him over on a PE TT kit.

 

I am seeing a suprising lack of shop nuthuggers posting up!

Where are all the nuthuggers???

 

^There's going to be enough drama already, don't create anymore.

 

i've been questioning volume high performance engines on this forum for quite some time now(most threads deleted).if shops would actually blueprint motors instead of saying they do there would be comparative data to determine conclusively what happened.i know i sound like a broken record,but.......please,one customer or one shop post up a blueprint.if you don't have a blueprint,you don't have a proffessionally built motor.in this case math would be invaluable,the build would have never made it out the door with specs like julians post..........why is this the only corner of the auto industry without ONE blueprint?what the hell is going on around here,and why does nobody care?

 

Who are you and what are you talking about?

And how is us waiting for 3rd party inspection to be completed Shady?

Guess what if the inspection was done yesterday we would have posted yesterday.

If you don't feel comfortable buying engines from us, then don't - no one is forcing you to buy and engine from anyone, keep in mind, even if Sam is at fault with these engines, it is still less than 2% failure rate.

 

Who gives a ****? We all know all of these threads will get wiped off the face of the earth just like they always do, and in a few months no one will remember a damn thing and people will be tripping over themselves trying to get the credit cards out fast enough.

In the meantime, I'd like to get my laughs, please. Its not like this thread has any important info in it anyway.

 

For some people, this is their livelihood. Their bread and butter. If you wish to belittle that for your entertainment on a public forum, that's your prerogative but it reflects poorly. There is an opportunity to advance the VQ community by facing challenges such as this, as stressful as it may be for those with the most at stake. As Sharif said in the other thread, no one is perfect. I believe that the manner in which mistakes are handled reflect more on the character of the shop than the mistake itself. Both MRC and GTM have an opportunity to do the right thing here and at the same time increase the level of awareness regarding potential complications of engine builds for those considering it. There is no reason to pick sides. The best outcome is one in which GTM, MRC, the customers, and the VQ community come away having something gained or learned...

 

yeah,get a blueprint for your built motor

 

1. GTM does not suck.

2. They are waiting for results from independent 3rd party analyses.

3. Were you that guy who's friend was buying a PE kit or some crap but you were handling the matter?

 

Riiiiight...

So you disagree that 90% of these threads get blackhole'ed? That is my point. What will the VQ community gain from this? I will place my bet firmly on Nothing. But we'll see, maybe I'll be wrong - unlike some people I'm not afraid to admit it wouldn't be the first time...

And my original post had nothing to do with the shops themselves, but with the wide-eyed faithful that defend them regardless of their insight into any given topic at hand. You know they're out there, and they know who they are.

If you really think anyone's livelihood will be affected by any of this, please tell me how AAM still remains in business.

But bottomline is, like you said, its a public forum, and I will make my comments as I choose. If I get out of line then the moderators can delete them. But whether those comments reflect poorly or otherwise to you means slightly less then nothing to me.

 

You rang

Problem is.... they both are on my Nuthhgging list

We just have to wait for Sam and George to respond with the results....If people keep jumping ahead of the wagon and GTM is not at fault...all the GTM haters will once again look like tools!!

 

Can you tell us more about what a blueprint will tell the end user? Or is it documentation that certain quality checks were performed? I know it was on the invoice for my FP S1 shortblock, but I didn't get a spec sheet with all the clearances etc. Is that what you are referring to? I wonder if shops/engine builders keep them on file.

 

Well said.

Wow, what did we do before the internet.... I have a feeling this will get worked out. I don't know any of the parties involved, but I can't believe people take this to the web like it is going to help the cause. I guess I can buy that if Sam was really un-responsive to Julian, but I can't believe throwing someone under bus ever helps. I manage a support organization for multi-million dollar semiconductor equipment, and if someone posted about every mistake we made on the internet, we would be out of business. I would ask that before anyone jumps to conclusions, let this play out. If these guys are as good at taking care of their customers as they say they are, it will work out. Everyone that has dealt with GTM says good things; maybe there is a reason for that.

As has been stated before, its not the mistakes you make, it is how you respond to resolve those mistakes. Let's see what happens.

 

Taking care of the bad motors that come to light on these sites is a good thing . The problem is , they dont get taken care of until you put it up on the site for every one to read . A shop that takes care of it before it comes to the point where the owner of the car / or shop that installed the motor has no other choice but to post about it so others can see how a shop deals with thier customers . Its only then does the motor builder come forward to say they will take care of it . I am speaking from experience here , because it has happened to me .

 

as far as i can tell shops on here keep a list of parts installed and that is about it.a real blueprint is far more complex and involves everything from piston dimensions at three height's/two axis,bore at three height's/two axis,all crank/rod math,bearings installed at crush math,crank centerline/deck height(both sides front and back).the list goes on and on but you get the idea.done properly it ensures quality and helps make power,as well as identify mis-cast parts and poor machine work.this is a small sampling of a blueprint and does not even come close to the detail of a full blueprint report.mine are four pages single space and are an indication of a REAL high performance engine.

 

I got my turbo install by Julian (turbonetics) also was tuned by MRC...... I'm very happy with the tuning, and the installation, my car runs great... and about customer service was A+.

I'm thinking at some point go twins and a build engine and I'm going back to them for sure

 

They get blackholed because people like you come in with the express intent of stirring up drama, and before long the entire thing becomes a big pissing match.

I can tell you the owner of this car is out a ton of money, on top of what he paid to have all the work done the first time. Its easy to make jokes when you're car is running fine, but when you throw a rod through your block, then you won't be making merry of the situation.

You've made some pretty sweet contributions to this thread, so keep douching it up if you want...

 

All I have to say is, if MRC wasn't pleased with an engine the first, second, third, etc... time around, why did they keep going back?

Seems to me he's stirring up trouble with shops yet again, seems to be his reputation, and I think GTM will come in and make it right.

No nuthugging here... just predictions from custmer service background.