Just want to see if people are running this kit? Any problems concerns issues?? Thanks

 

my MeOH kit cost 200$ and does its job perfectly. If I were to drop 1000$ on a AM HSF-5, i'd expect it to blow me and wax my GF's puss.

But it is the king MeoH/H20 kit. What a feature list!
* Constant pressure system - very low pressure ripple (factory set to 125psi)
* High speed PWM valve ensure accurate flow control against fuel duty cycle
* Fast dymanic response time to load and RPM change
* Consistant droplet size due to high system pressure under all conditions
* Powerful 150 Watt Shurflo pump motor capable of maintaining flow beyond 2 litre/minute
* DDS3 (bundled) ensures flow is monitored constantly for clogged jet or cut hose
* 2x failsafe channels to perform advanced failsafe tasks such as boost cut, map switch, etc. (STAND ALONE ECU ONLY)
* Water and methanol compatible (0-100%)

 

Rome doesn't seem like a person who asks about prices

 

then that is the absolutely be all end all of MeoH kits. I know I droooled over that site when I was putting my kit together.

 

Romey.....you know I dont buy crap....I use the Snow Meth Kit...not because its cheap...but because it works...If I did not buy the Snow...I would have went with the one that the Mad Scientist Jkenefic uses.

 

Romey

Installing mine right now..actually almost done. Just trying to finish up the port injection drilling/tapping.

I got the new version 10 Aquamist hfs-5... looks incredible. Will be doing a full closed loop water injection control with the motec, will also be injecting perfectly constant WFR regardless of boost pressure.

It is BAR NONE the one to get. Trust me, people who say that their water injection kits work perfectly MOSTLY (not all) don't know any better. ALl of those kits "work well" until something goes wrong. The only two kits out there that can possibly do a good job are the Aquamist and the FJO systems, both happearing very solid. I went with the latter of course, for fault tolerance features, and because there is a very small price difference between the two.

 

I like mine

 

amazing, a FI thread full of useful information!

 

I know you said not all...but I assure you that I have no problems with mine...its hooked to my Fcon and that is my fail-safe.....If I felt that it was lacking....I would have went for the best.

 

I got mine from ibkarlito when he parted out. It is not installed yet, but before I purchased I did a weeks worth of research and kept getting the same result. The HSF-5 is not only the best, but the safest kit on the market. Mike is correct though, I believe you can loop other systems into your f-con to read if you run out of juice and change your map. That was the main selling feature for me, HFS-5 will cut boost and change your fuel map if you run out of meth or it senses a clog in a line or nozzle. I will pay double money for double safety every time.

 

I'm with you.

I have the HSF-5 and it's wired into my Fcon for added safety. You get what you pay for!

 

Thats how im gonna hook my up as well. Multiple shops not in the z market told me the aquamist is the best kit to get. And since they arent even in the z business just fast cars business I believe they are onto something

 

I agree with Gurgen...the aquamist and the FJO units are the best on the market. For our application, you need a module that controls the water delivery via a combination of boost and rpm (or injector pulsewidth.)

on kits like the SNOW, they are based only on boost for our applications. this is hugely flawed on a turbocharged engine.....as boost and ariflow are not the same. 10 psi at 3000 rpm is not the same volume of air as 10 psi at 6000 rpm. if we had a MAF unit that didn't max out so quickly, you could base the meth kit output on MAF voltage......but we don't.

 

ahh one benefit of a SC, always have airflow and boost related.

makes the boost triggered meth kit just fine. But like mentioned about, you need some 3d triggers for an 'ideal' meth control system for a turbo.

 

I have a follow up question for all the meth heads.

Do you use your meth systems for:

1. Temp reduction and anti-detonation

2. HP increase - to run more boost

3. Both - your EMS is tuned with multiple maps for safety & high HP

4. You run a high HP map on meth and a low HP map with no meth

I am interested to see how most are using their systems - Thanks

 

I am using mine for temp reduction, anti-detonation and to get more hp.

On the track, I probably won't be running more than 14 psi of boost, but I'll still be using the meth injection, and maybe even meth/water mix.

I have been told that you can get more hp with straight meth, so we are going to see how much hp we get with straight meth on the dyno. We also may try a 70% meth/30% water mix (by volume) and see where that will take us. If the meth/water mix gives us almost as much hp, but makes everything run cooler, that may be the ticket. I'll post the results in the thread for my build after we have had a chance to compare the two.

I found some research on meth/water injection, which I previously discussed here:

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...ethanol-3.html

Water is very good when you have high intake air temps, for example if you don't have an intercooler or your intercooler is not real efficient. With lower intake air temps, the benefits of water diminish somewhat, and a higher percentage of meth is probably desirable if you have a very high hp goal.

That said, some people believe that straight meth is more risky, especially if you do not have a good spray pattern and it gets a chance to pool in the intake plenum. If this happens, a back fire could ignite it. I think this is how Luie blew up his intake plenum, but I think he was also running NOS at the time.

George at GTM got over 600 RWHP on straight water at 14 psi of boost. I'm not sure if he stopped there because he met his goal, but I'm assuming that this is probably the case as I got to 584 on 93 octane and had to stop there because my tires were slipping significantly on the dyno. Maybe George can jump in here and let us know whether he was maxed out.

I'm using a coolingmist system. I really like the Coolingmist Smart Injection controller because of all of the safety features it allows you to implement. Also, I am using their high speed valves to control the meth flow because they have a faster reaction time than controlling the pump alone.

 

Rome, I'm running the HSF-5 kit on my EVO and STI, let me know if you want to check it out in action...

 

I was talking with Sam @ GTM the other day about my HFS-5 set up and some fine tuning of my recently installed Fcon. He mentioned to me that they could add two additional ports to the WM assembly for a total of three ports and then I could effectively spray straight water.

Wondering if anyone is doing this and what would be the advantage, I see George prefers to spray only water but I thought that a WM mix would effectively raise your octane levels and cool your AIT's. With straight water I don't see what the advantage is other then it will cool AIT's without the meth that can be corrosive and a little more of a pain to refill if you run out in the middle of no were.

I currently spray 50/50 WM and I see a significant drop in AIT's on the navigator display, so is anyone else spraying a 3 port set up and what are your thoughts?

 

When a water mist enters the combustion chamber and evaporates, the latent heat it absorbes retards the combustion, which is analogous to running a higher octane fuel. Based on the report I reviewed, the effectiveness of water at retarding detination seems to be related to the intake air temperature (and probably the temperature of the combustion chamber, etc.). You should see a difference in your EGT readings if you are monitoring them.

Even water alone should allow you to run higher boost levels for the same AFR, which allows you to achieve greater power. Meth also absorbes latent heat, but does not do so as well as water. Nonetheless, meth also provides additional fuel for combustion, and has a very high octane (somewhere around 118). So with meth, you are retarding detonation both by absorbing heat and by raising the net octane of your fuel mixture (gas and meth).

Thus, running straight meth, straight water, or a mixture of the two should give you more hp. The question is what ratio is optimum for your setup. If your AIT or combustion chamber temperatures are high, water is more effective than if you are running low AIT/combustion chamber temperatures. So, if you have a good intercooler the optimum percentage of water in the meth/water mix decreases. In this case, I think the optimum percentage of water to meth to achieve the most hp is less than 30%. How much less is hard to know without more data, but some people with good intercoolers are seeing very good results with straight meth.

 

I have the HSF-1 which is also a good kit. I havent installed it yet but all the reading and research I have done on it proves it number one out of all the other ones I have read. I was trying to consider which size jet to use I'm kinda lost. The brits who wrote the directions were dead on in the directions on some stuff but not everything. Also looking at how I would direct port it if I wanted to.