Scott Bush & Relentless Autosports: Exposing the Hype, Lies, and Failure
04-15-2009, 07:48 PM
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LOL @ the thread Dr. De La Fail started after Mike called her out again.
https://my350z.com/forum/370z-exteri...-the-370z.html
https://my350z.com/forum/370z-exteri...-the-370z.html
Would you not think that if her son is old enough to drive...he should be able to post for himself She talks about her son knows alot about modding a car because he reads alot of magazines......I am telling you......something smells like a pig farm.
Hi Lawchic .....you nutswinger you
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04-15-2009, 08:51 PM
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Dont you ask yourself why is it that she is the one trying to get info about this 'Z370" for her son and not her son getting the info for himself<img src="http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:my350z.com/get//forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif" border="0" alt="" title="dunno" smilieid="94" class="inlineimg" /> Would you not think that if her son is old enough to drive...he should be able to post for himself<img src="http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:my350z.com/get//forum/images/smilies/dunno.gif" border="0" alt="" title="dunno" smilieid="94" class="inlineimg" /> She talks about her son knows alot about modding a car because he reads alot of magazines......I am telling you......something smells like a pig farm.<img src="/forum/images/smilies/icon08.gif" border="0" alt="" title="" smilieid="19" class="inlineimg" /></p>
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04-16-2009, 04:01 AM
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Dont you ask yourself why is it that she is the one trying to get info about this 'Z370" for her son and not her son getting the info for himself Would you not think that if her son is old enough to drive...he should be able to post for himself She talks about her son knows alot about modding a car because he reads alot of magazines......I am telling you......something smells like a pig farm.
Hi Lawchic .....you nutswinger you
Would you not think that if her son is old enough to drive...he should be able to post for himself She talks about her son knows alot about modding a car because he reads alot of magazines......I am telling you......something smells like a pig farm.Hi Lawchic .....you nutswinger you
I think she is talking about Scott (aka Her son), since he learned everything that he knows from magazines.
04-16-2009, 06:16 PM
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Yep, this thread chugs along because it protects consumers.
Here is a "typical" day at a real shop ( I was at a shop today, so here is the short story ):
1. You get to drive to a real address. GPS even knows where it is.
2. They are open at the advertised time.
3. You walk in and greeted by technicians and shop owner, the phones are ringing, there is coffee being consumed, jokes are being told, problems are being solved, fun being had, work is being done, there is a building with concrete floors, bathrooms, carlifts, parts, bay doors, its sunny and you feel at peace... its a real business.
4. Your car is worked on while you make busy and try to do recon on other customers cars because all good shops have a plenty of other customers and they have cool cars too. If you are lucky, the shop owner has a GTR and you try to find the keys to that while he is not looking.
5. The shop buys you lunch,... ok maybe thats a perk I've earned but I was hungry.
6. Your car is on a real dyno, with other people around that have previously dyno'd their cars,... guess what - everyone had similar experiences. Plus the techs ask you "what did your car do?",.. You say "504",.. they say "good, thats a little over what it did when you had it here 6 months ago",... that's good.
7. You pay your bill. You promise to keep in touch and email/call when you arrive at home safely because thats what good shops ask of their customers.
That is why this thread is still active.
Here is a "typical" day at a real shop ( I was at a shop today, so here is the short story ):
1. You get to drive to a real address. GPS even knows where it is.
2. They are open at the advertised time.
3. You walk in and greeted by technicians and shop owner, the phones are ringing, there is coffee being consumed, jokes are being told, problems are being solved, fun being had, work is being done, there is a building with concrete floors, bathrooms, carlifts, parts, bay doors, its sunny and you feel at peace... its a real business.
4. Your car is worked on while you make busy and try to do recon on other customers cars because all good shops have a plenty of other customers and they have cool cars too. If you are lucky, the shop owner has a GTR and you try to find the keys to that while he is not looking.
5. The shop buys you lunch,... ok maybe thats a perk I've earned but I was hungry.
6. Your car is on a real dyno, with other people around that have previously dyno'd their cars,... guess what - everyone had similar experiences. Plus the techs ask you "what did your car do?",.. You say "504",.. they say "good, thats a little over what it did when you had it here 6 months ago",... that's good.
7. You pay your bill. You promise to keep in touch and email/call when you arrive at home safely because thats what good shops ask of their customers.
That is why this thread is still active.
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I haven't had the time, nor the need for some of the drama brought on these boards. But there has been a lot of false information given about the BC G35, past instances with shops, and our driver (Scott).
I’d like to think that I am a reputable person and a man of character. I am honest and have never been biased or unfair with my dealings with people or companies in this industry or otherwise.
I can attest to a lot of stuff being said here in the character assassination of Scott and Relentless Autosports as being a bunch of half truths and lies, but I will just limit my post to comments/allegations about me and our vehicle.
Keep in mind, I own the car, I personally dealt with all the situations myself. I know how the whole story took place.
First, here is an actual PM that XKR has been spreading around about my car and past situation…
Wow, now I'm not sure exactly what XKR was told by Sharif, but let me clarify on how this really happened.
We only had 2 months to complete My G35. I contracted Noah from GTSpec to help us. He was told our goals and he made it happen.
At no time did I specifically request anything on parts, just gave him our power goals and mentioned this was going to receive a lot of track time and abuse. When I requested an invoice from him, the invoice in question was given to Sharif as per his request. He, (Sharif) noticed the discrepancies and called them out to me, which I thanked him for his attention to detail. I then contacted Noah, Noah contacted Scott and it was seen that Noah had made a mistake on his paperwork. A simple mistake that he took full responsibility for, came here and explained on more than one occasion. I'm not sure what tel# Sharif may have had, but I will say that Scott answered every call I had and/or returned my call during this entire process. I also know that he called Forged many times to get through to Sharif with no luck, and there are people that can definitely back that up. Including one of Forged customers that was with Scott the week this happened
Here is the quote from Noah at GT Spec that ordered the RA motor for us
This all took place and was resolved long before Sharif decided to make this a big thread. I'd appreciate if this part finally dies out, I have had to repeat this so many times. It was a 3rd party invoice error, Scott addressed all my questions and said that he personally guaranteed the motor, as is, would handle the amount of power we were looking to achieve and be able to take the abuse on the track. Sharif had his own thoughts that this motor would not be able to perform to the expectations Scott said and to this date we are utilizing the same motor that has made 652rwhp, been to many track events not including the daily driven portion of the car. I'll post the new dyno numbers later when we finalize it. There is some restriction issues on the custom piping we did while converting from the Greddy TT kit to the new JWT kit. Shooting for low to mid 7 hundred's now.
Unless you were a corner worker or a tree, I doubt anyone saw exactly what happened. That stretch of the track is blinded to the audience by a field of trees. But if you'd like, I do have the in car video to prove you wrong.
BTW, it was a front brake pad failure that caused the wreck. Scott thought it skidded due to the front bumper coming loose like it had earlier, but under further examination I found one of the front pads crumbled and had the backing plate hit the rotor.
Just on a side note, based on practice session times (low boost, sh!ty tires and me in the car with Scott datalogging) we were the fastest RWD car there. The practice lap times reflected this. Just for the bystanders to understand time attack, when this wreck occurred, it was like 3 turns from the finish of the 1st timed lap. Believe me that no one is radioing in to slow down and mess around. LOL, how do you guys come up with this stuff !!??.
Come on Sharif, didn't you just say we were cool?
Let me clarify "that same crappy build you did on our G". It was actually just an install (since all the parts were provided). As for RA doing any wrenching or tuning, Scott only gets behind the wheel of this vehicle to drive, the Performance Factory stickers were also on the vehicle because JT helped with anything I needed and tuned the car. Unfortunately none of the electrical problems we had at the track came up on the dyno prior to the event. We also ended up having a short in the throttle positioning sensor. Thats why the car would only idle and not run at VIR. There are a few teams that participate in Redline Time Attack that can back that up (Gary with the CWest S2K, Topspeed team members and Dave Shirona with Function Tuned).
Now with all this said, I could keep on commenting on posts that are in this thread alone that are nowhere near the real facts but my 1000 word max is up. It's unfortunate that this great community of Z/G owners are being feed this by the pioneer members of this site and forum sponsors.
I’d like to think that I am a reputable person and a man of character. I am honest and have never been biased or unfair with my dealings with people or companies in this industry or otherwise.
I can attest to a lot of stuff being said here in the character assassination of Scott and Relentless Autosports as being a bunch of half truths and lies, but I will just limit my post to comments/allegations about me and our vehicle.
Keep in mind, I own the car, I personally dealt with all the situations myself. I know how the whole story took place.
First, here is an actual PM that XKR has been spreading around about my car and past situation…
Originally Posted by xkr
"I know you see me post on here once in a while...
As you all know...Sharif is the most honest vendor you will ever do business with.
Here is more of the story that Sharif cannot post.…Pete, the customer of this car was angry with Scott when Sharif disclose this dishonesty. The customer paid for parts that where not installed in the car, and when the customer jumped all over Scott for this...Scott offered the customer FULL warrantee (remove/Build and install) for the life of the motor. The customer thought that was the best deal ever, and asked Sharif to leave it alone to see what happens. I was also asked to stay out of it...but I don't want Sharif to look like its something personal between Sharif and Scott. When I see the name RA...I think of VRT...that's just my opinion. When Sharif found this discrepancy…Sharif called Scott and asked him to explain....and Scott gave Sharif some Bull story why it happened. Scott asked Sharif not to mention it to the customer....but knowing Sharif.....I knew it would not take part in this dishonesty.
As administrators....you owe it to your members to protects them from this kind of scam. I love the way you manage your site and I have great confidence that you will handle this in the right way.
If you need to verify this with Sharif...feel free. Sharif is a friend and I am sure he will understand why I PM you about this. I will also forward this to ttank."
Mike XKR
As you all know...Sharif is the most honest vendor you will ever do business with.
Here is more of the story that Sharif cannot post.…Pete, the customer of this car was angry with Scott when Sharif disclose this dishonesty. The customer paid for parts that where not installed in the car, and when the customer jumped all over Scott for this...Scott offered the customer FULL warrantee (remove/Build and install) for the life of the motor. The customer thought that was the best deal ever, and asked Sharif to leave it alone to see what happens. I was also asked to stay out of it...but I don't want Sharif to look like its something personal between Sharif and Scott. When I see the name RA...I think of VRT...that's just my opinion. When Sharif found this discrepancy…Sharif called Scott and asked him to explain....and Scott gave Sharif some Bull story why it happened. Scott asked Sharif not to mention it to the customer....but knowing Sharif.....I knew it would not take part in this dishonesty.
As administrators....you owe it to your members to protects them from this kind of scam. I love the way you manage your site and I have great confidence that you will handle this in the right way.
If you need to verify this with Sharif...feel free. Sharif is a friend and I am sure he will understand why I PM you about this. I will also forward this to ttank."
Mike XKR
Wow, now I'm not sure exactly what XKR was told by Sharif, but let me clarify on how this really happened.
We only had 2 months to complete My G35. I contracted Noah from GTSpec to help us. He was told our goals and he made it happen.
At no time did I specifically request anything on parts, just gave him our power goals and mentioned this was going to receive a lot of track time and abuse. When I requested an invoice from him, the invoice in question was given to Sharif as per his request. He, (Sharif) noticed the discrepancies and called them out to me, which I thanked him for his attention to detail. I then contacted Noah, Noah contacted Scott and it was seen that Noah had made a mistake on his paperwork. A simple mistake that he took full responsibility for, came here and explained on more than one occasion. I'm not sure what tel# Sharif may have had, but I will say that Scott answered every call I had and/or returned my call during this entire process. I also know that he called Forged many times to get through to Sharif with no luck, and there are people that can definitely back that up. Including one of Forged customers that was with Scott the week this happened
Here is the quote from Noah at GT Spec that ordered the RA motor for us
Originally Posted by Noahs burnt
I was the 3rd party involved in arranging this motor between the customer and Relentless Autosports. I assume my reputation speaks for itself but I would like to address a few issues both openly and honestly. After speaking with the customer (Pete) we figured what he needed was an assembled long block to both speed up his install and provide the necessary items he needed to boost safely to 5XX +rwhp. I contacted Scott at Relentless to build such a motor and shot him a PO requesting certain parts. These parts were RA/SCAT rods, CP pistons (96mm off the shelf), an HKS metal headgasket for 96mm pistons, JWT Cams, JWT Springs, Stock valves and heads with mild work if any. I then sent this purchase order to Scott along with a few others and cut and paste from one invoice to the next not realizing that my own lack of attention to detail would escalate to anything of this proportion. I then needed to bill the customer so I simply converted the PO to an invoice and shot a copy off to the customer. One of the other invoices requested C2 cams as the motor was a non-rev-up.
*The CAMS and Headgasket were my own typographical/lazy/stupid mistake*
…..I immediately contacted Scott and was informed of my mistake on the invoice (i have the documents to show it if need be). I then contacted sharif and the customer and everything was on it's merry way."
*The CAMS and Headgasket were my own typographical/lazy/stupid mistake*
…..I immediately contacted Scott and was informed of my mistake on the invoice (i have the documents to show it if need be). I then contacted sharif and the customer and everything was on it's merry way."
This all took place and was resolved long before Sharif decided to make this a big thread. I'd appreciate if this part finally dies out, I have had to repeat this so many times. It was a 3rd party invoice error, Scott addressed all my questions and said that he personally guaranteed the motor, as is, would handle the amount of power we were looking to achieve and be able to take the abuse on the track. Sharif had his own thoughts that this motor would not be able to perform to the expectations Scott said and to this date we are utilizing the same motor that has made 652rwhp, been to many track events not including the daily driven portion of the car. I'll post the new dyno numbers later when we finalize it. There is some restriction issues on the custom piping we did while converting from the Greddy TT kit to the new JWT kit. Shooting for low to mid 7 hundred's now.
Originally Posted by xkr
Were you there when the BC car tried to cut a path through the tire guards?? I was...I have pic's of everything. I even defended Scott by saying that Sharif cheated and pushed Scott off the track...until someone had pic's to prove me wrong
Originally Posted by Philthy
……. We radio to Robi … and he's laughing his *** off knowing full well what Scott is trying to do, intimadate us….. Robi keeps his cool, brings the car and tires up to temp and then puts the hammer down... Within three turns Robi puts four car lengths of separation between my G and Scott/BC - Sharif is still right behind Scott and keeping pace... Then Robi say's I'm going to really f!@K with Scott and takes our breaking point into the back section WAY deeper than we had all weekend - Scott tries to follow Robi's breaking point and line threw the corner and COMPLETELY LOOSES IT AND CRASHES INTO THE TIRE WALL !!! AHAH!!! Although I feel bad for Pete @ BC, I couldn't stop laughing...What made it even more of an EPIC FAILURE is Scott blamed his crash on a mechnical, saying the bumper fell off and wedged itself under the front tire and he couldn't turn...
Unless you were a corner worker or a tree, I doubt anyone saw exactly what happened. That stretch of the track is blinded to the audience by a field of trees. But if you'd like, I do have the in car video to prove you wrong.
BTW, it was a front brake pad failure that caused the wreck. Scott thought it skidded due to the front bumper coming loose like it had earlier, but under further examination I found one of the front pads crumbled and had the backing plate hit the rotor.
Just on a side note, based on practice session times (low boost, sh!ty tires and me in the car with Scott datalogging) we were the fastest RWD car there. The practice lap times reflected this. Just for the bystanders to understand time attack, when this wreck occurred, it was like 3 turns from the finish of the 1st timed lap. Believe me that no one is radioing in to slow down and mess around. LOL, how do you guys come up with this stuff !!??.
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Really? Is that why Scott set a track record in 2007 in a car we completely built and setup for Louie, and that same crappy build we did on the BC G35 took the podium at Gateway.
Of course, after all the Forged crap came off the car, and Scott took over the wrenching and tuning duties. He crashed into the tire wall at Summit Point, trying to chase down the two Forged cars, Then at VIR, the car was a mess, with electrical/tuning issues, and was unable to compete.
Shall I continue?
The guy I really feel bad for, is Pete. Pete and I are cool. I hope he finds a new crew and driver for 2009.
Of course, after all the Forged crap came off the car, and Scott took over the wrenching and tuning duties. He crashed into the tire wall at Summit Point, trying to chase down the two Forged cars, Then at VIR, the car was a mess, with electrical/tuning issues, and was unable to compete.
Shall I continue?
The guy I really feel bad for, is Pete. Pete and I are cool. I hope he finds a new crew and driver for 2009.
Come on Sharif, didn't you just say we were cool?
Let me clarify "that same crappy build you did on our G". It was actually just an install (since all the parts were provided). As for RA doing any wrenching or tuning, Scott only gets behind the wheel of this vehicle to drive, the Performance Factory stickers were also on the vehicle because JT helped with anything I needed and tuned the car. Unfortunately none of the electrical problems we had at the track came up on the dyno prior to the event. We also ended up having a short in the throttle positioning sensor. Thats why the car would only idle and not run at VIR. There are a few teams that participate in Redline Time Attack that can back that up (Gary with the CWest S2K, Topspeed team members and Dave Shirona with Function Tuned).
Now with all this said, I could keep on commenting on posts that are in this thread alone that are nowhere near the real facts but my 1000 word max is up. It's unfortunate that this great community of Z/G owners are being feed this by the pioneer members of this site and forum sponsors.
04-16-2009, 07:01 PM
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that turn is about 5 or 6 away from the front straight. it's actually before the entry to the carousel, turn 5.
nor is that turn obscured by trees from the stands, which are to the left of the turn (in line with the entry to the turn) and have full sightline of the chute curve.
nor is that turn obscured by trees from the stands, which are to the left of the turn (in line with the entry to the turn) and have full sightline of the chute curve.
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04-16-2009, 07:10 PM
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that turn is about 5 or 6 away from the front straight. it's actually before the entry to the carousel, turn 5.
nor is that turn obscured by trees from the stands, which are to the left of the turn (in line with the entry to the turn) and have full sightline of the chute curve.
nor is that turn obscured by trees from the stands, which are to the left of the turn (in line with the entry to the turn) and have full sightline of the chute curve.
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Yep, this thread chugs along because it protects consumers.
Here is a "typical" day at a real shop ( I was at a shop today, so here is the short story ):
1. You get to drive to a real address. GPS even knows where it is.
2. They are open at the advertised time.
3. You walk in and greeted by technicians and shop owner, the phones are ringing, there is coffee being consumed, jokes are being told, problems are being solved, fun being had, work is being done, there is a building with concrete floors, bathrooms, carlifts, parts, bay doors, its sunny and you feel at peace... its a real business.
4. Your car is worked on while you make busy and try to do recon on other customers cars because all good shops have a plenty of other customers and they have cool cars too. If you are lucky, the shop owner has a GTR and you try to find the keys to that while he is not looking.
5. The shop buys you lunch,... ok maybe thats a perk I've earned but I was hungry.
6. Your car is on a real dyno, with other people around that have previously dyno'd their cars,... guess what - everyone had similar experiences. Plus the techs ask you "what did your car do?",.. You say "504",.. they say "good, thats a little over what it did when you had it here 6 months ago",... that's good.
7. You pay your bill. You promise to keep in touch and email/call when you arrive at home safely because thats what good shops ask of their customers.
That is why this thread is still active.
Here is a "typical" day at a real shop ( I was at a shop today, so here is the short story ):
1. You get to drive to a real address. GPS even knows where it is.
2. They are open at the advertised time.
3. You walk in and greeted by technicians and shop owner, the phones are ringing, there is coffee being consumed, jokes are being told, problems are being solved, fun being had, work is being done, there is a building with concrete floors, bathrooms, carlifts, parts, bay doors, its sunny and you feel at peace... its a real business.
4. Your car is worked on while you make busy and try to do recon on other customers cars because all good shops have a plenty of other customers and they have cool cars too. If you are lucky, the shop owner has a GTR and you try to find the keys to that while he is not looking.
5. The shop buys you lunch,... ok maybe thats a perk I've earned but I was hungry.
6. Your car is on a real dyno, with other people around that have previously dyno'd their cars,... guess what - everyone had similar experiences. Plus the techs ask you "what did your car do?",.. You say "504",.. they say "good, thats a little over what it did when you had it here 6 months ago",... that's good.
7. You pay your bill. You promise to keep in touch and email/call when you arrive at home safely because thats what good shops ask of their customers.
That is why this thread is still active.
Forgot to mention that I had a ginger salad, miso soup, a tuna roll, a california roll and a bunch of other stuff for lunch. Plus, I was home for dinner ( after a 3 hr drive, lol) which made my son happy because he has a science project due tomorrow. This thread is all about what you can do for a customer TODAY,... not what you could not do for a customer a year ago, lol.