XKR

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A mod on here has alll the PM's...I promise I will let it out soon.....I just cannot post the customers name....He told me he did not want to get caught up in this battle....So I had a mod check the intel so he can back up what I will post.


I have 3 other past builds thats came forward with some good info......they were close to scott/vrt at one time until they found Nissan Factory parts in their built motor....I gave my word that I would not post it before they would tell me. One was so scared that he would only tell me over the phone.

The last person has only ask to wait until he gets his car back.

RudeG_v2.0

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I respectfully disagree Tony. This thread is about exposing truth to prevent further BS and victims with Scott/RA. Scott had accomplices and those that share responsibility/blame for Scott's BS persisting for so long. George is part of the problem on g35driver.

I didn't start this war. I simply indicated that I did not agree with Stan's initial post about the circumstances of Jordan's/Canadian's resignation. George decided to enter the fight like a lion and take it a step further. Since IMO he shares blame and responsibily for what went down on g35driver and since he is stepping up to defend Jordan, I am showing him no mercy with regards to his posts. I call BS when I see it and I believe the problems with Canadian on g35driver are part of the "big picture".

XKR

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Tony...Eric does have a point.....Canadian has gotten his hands dirty and this cannot be over looked.As George stated....everyone in his gang agrees with what we are saying about MrS/scott/vrt/ra...but Canadian still takes the side of MrS.....That only shows us the kind of person Canadian really is.

I am sure George can see what Eric is saying based on what has been presented and actions of others.

Hydrazine

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Oh, I completely agree about Canadian.
He should never have promoted a banned scammer.

I just think its a stretch to bring it over to George.

Technically, yes, George should have policed Canadian. But still we are human. I can't say I would have been any better if I was stuck in that same position.

I can see it as a mistake on Georges part, but we all can have some amount of bias for a friend. In hind sight its easy to fault George's oversight, but I don't see it as something to pound him for.

Canadians actions were a different story. That was objectionable and of much higher magnitude.

XKR

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Well put......

IIQuickSilverII

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you can excuse the mod George all you want, with excuses like "ther was too much wind" :lol: to make him look clue less...but he help candian be mod, and canadian was basically MR.S. sales-lady on that site.....a huge conflict of interest and disrespect to all paying vendors there( and all around if you wanna get more hints why all vendors here are against mrS...)...he has responsibility for all this and considering how close he was with canadia, eh was well aware of what was happening. So this is a cheap excuse IMO "George should have policed Canadian. But still we are human. I can't say I would have been any better if I was stuck in that same position." and its good you are not a mod then... my friend rome took care of things and had to get into it with his friends in the process(sometimes) if he had to to resolve shlt as he should have as a mod...SO YES THIS IS WHY NOT ANYBODY SHOULD BE A MOD...and why there are also OTHER MODS, that should have stepped in so correct things, but they didnt.
In The end i could care less about the details how it happened but i am glad canadian isn't a mod there anymore, but it would be appropriate for others to accept their fault. too

GeoBau

I absolutely could have handled the situation differently. There's no question about it. I am a human being who's privy to the intentions of those around me, however, so I tend to punish malice and correct ignorance.

Jordan was heavily warned regarding the RA thread, and I think you can see a marked decrease in involvement in those issues following those discussions. Again, probably not to the liking of some, but progress was continually made. It's not like we stood around, twiddling our thumbs and looking to the sky. The political implications that were accounted for remained in the G35Driver community, and it was only with the pushing of a few select users from outside of that community that any of it even became an issue.

Jordan is my friend. He became a mod. He had work done by Scott and began singing the praises of someone he felt was unjustly vilified. A group buy was introduced (not by Canadian) that many users requested stay active, so it was allowed. Canadian acted not as an agent of G35Driver when he coordinated the buy, nor was he an agent (assuming consideration) of RA. He was someone trying to put product to people.

I physically pulled him aside and said, "knock it off" because this was a slippery slope, and he did for a time. He then reacted negatively to some accusations this board and was asked to step down. That's it. It's a process, and the result was the desired one from the community, right?

I challenge any single one of you to beat down your brother over something so seemingly petty, strip him of ability to even help, and publicly stone him for a rule infraction (that you yourself wrote). We have hearts, minds, compassion, understanding, and firm grips on reality. All of those must come into account. I don't want to just skip from Mod to Mod, stripping abilities and awarding access based on how well people tow the line... it makes life damn boring, and completely removes any human element to the equation. Mods are people that should be unfolded as they learn from experience.

You can cut out any and all interplay between people and post only the monologues, and you'll get some good theater.

G

Hydrazine

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I'm a little more forgiving.

I don't like to go around putting the hammer down on just anybody because of infractions. I know I make mistakes too, so I try to keep it cool.

And I do believe there is wisdom to the old phrase "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.".

In Scott's case, it is not only appropriate to expose him, it is a moral obligation to protect others from him. That is the one thing that gives this thread clarity.

XKR

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And there you have it... The entire point in a nut shell!!!!

I still don't think George gets the point this whole thing is not all about Canadian... It's mainly about MrS/scott/ra/vrt...there are a few people that still support MrS... You don't see us bothering them unless they come at us like Lawchick. The point is an will always be in this case... Canadian was a Mod... Not a regular member... And he should have conducted himself like one. Be a leader... Not a suck up to a convicted banned person.

I still go back to the STB f@ckup!! I know for a fact that if it were not for Canadian... So many people would not have been ripped off. He put his stamp of approval on it and the noobs fell for the scam....a STB that was welded and made in the dark.

Everyone has been watching Canadian for a long time...that's one of the reasons I stopped supporting G35driver....A mod supporting a convicted person. Matter of fact... I was contacted by one of the big boys from IB because of a comment I made about g35driver going down hill. That is the same person I have been dealing with from day one. I have faith in that person and this why I have once again become a paying member.

Your boy did wrong George... Don't pull yourself down with him. You warned him... He chose not to listen... Let it go.... Save yourself!!! I hope you take my advise.

GeoBau

I don't condone his actions, and in hindsight my admonishments should've been more severe, but I'm fairly certain that MrS has made whole those who were involved in the SB issue (?), and that is my primary concern.

G

XKR

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I am not sure if he did... I hope so.... I am sure he was feeling the heat.

Btw.. As you can see.. Jorge and Eric are very passionate about this subject..... It's not personal

IIQuickSilverII

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lol....... well as i already said.... IMO canadians was creating a huge conflic of interest.... and though driver and my350 are different sites, its not only the same owner, but the same community.....i gave scott the benefit of the doubt for a few months right after the VRT debacle...so its not like i have not been forgiving, nor that i am not laidback and always try to give everybody a chance...ITs just that MrS proved me that he is a leech, back to same tactics, same talk, same strategy as his zen master MrA.....actually RA is probably more shamless and illegal than vrt...if there is anything he learned from VRT it seems like hes done a slightly better job in hiding the fails(till recon unit stepped in)....MrA did that for a while ....and MrS bullshlt on this industry is on borrowed time IMO...maybe JWT can hire him since he claims to design rods coilovers, builds cars, weld, drives nascar cars....(u all know the story). IMO Canadian should have been removed when he had unbanned MrS., even if mods had been "unconsciously" trying to turn a blind eye on canadian being the sales lady for RA, thats was way too much...

IIQuickSilverII

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bump!

escobar929

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yea, how he hasnt been banned from there is beyond me :duuno:

OCG35

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I agree (for the most part) of what you are saying... however, its nothing new - I stated it a long time ago... and have made mention of several other shady things that go on over there... but some of admins and staff spend their time pooping out explanations that are totally bogus and in most cases absurd.

It goes beyond the RA thing…

Hydrazine

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If there is more to it I'm not aware of... IDK
I generally stay away from any admin forum politics.

OCG35

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As time goes on more things will come to the surface, and/or changes will be made… its inevitable.

XKR

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Most people dont know that the Recon Unit is made up all people from all walks of life....Lawyers, Doctors, Shop owners , Police officers, DJ's, IT, Engineers, and so on.....

Rickdogg is an agent of ours that works in our research division....I am sure everyone is aware that Eric/Rude is in our enforcement division

RudeG_v2.0

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<p><p><p>1) Has anybody reported Scott to the mods over there yet for his advertising in his sig and his posts that are self-promoting shameless sales plugs while he is not a sponsor/vendor???</p><p>2) Why is Samantha still listed as his friend if she is telling Mike that she wants nothing more to do with Scott???</p></p></p>

XKR

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I will contact Samantha about that.....She signed on as an agent awhile back.....I am sure she just over looked it.