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Old Feb 19, 2009 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gsedanman
Yes, maybe because you're a little impatient....
These things take time to investigate and we can't just go on what a few persons say about someone now can we......

LOL, how'd you like someone to ban your azz on the word of a few 'mouths' HUH? I didn't think so.

In any case, we would have gotten to the same conclusion over there on 'Driver and been just as helpful to you or anyone else if you'd just been a little more polite about things and not come over there with your guns a-blazing. It might be your way to act in your world but not over on 'Driver.
We're more schooled in diplomacy and courtesy than that.

And don't blame us or any of our mods for defending themselves against your mouthiness. That's on you. My guys do a bang-up job and I don't like anyone who says differently.

Now you know how to act next time you might need help or visit 'Driver.
If you can't be nice then stay the hell away. Send someone else. We don't need your crap. The job is difficult enough without you adding fuel to the fire and being a jerk.

If you need to disuss this any more or have anything more than an apology to add, then take it elsewhere.....You're not to come over there and be an upset any more.

I won't tell you twice.

Respectfully, Msedanman, Admin- G35Driver.com.

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You won't get an apology from me. Maybe I was just expecting you to be as responsive and handle it as quickly as the mod/admin staff here would have. Kinda hard to do when your own staff is campaigning for Scott's return. LOL Pat yourselves on the back if it makes you feel better, but you are a far cry from the staff here on my350z.

You already lost your biggest parts vendor on that site, IntensePower. Good luck with your sinking ship.

Have a great day.


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Old Feb 19, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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Old Feb 19, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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Question 1:

How many of you people have actually met Scott, and or spoken directly with him?

including rude, XKR, Darren, Sharif, and all others that have made bad claims against Relentless Autosports and Scott?

Statement1: The prior allegations that Scott was posting with multiple usernames has already been proven false. The IP addresses have already been checked, and confirmed.

Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Courtesy of Canadian (who is a staff member on g35driver), Scott Bush's permaban got lifted on g35driver yesterday.
G35driver is now completely separate from my350z so why SHOULD Scott be banned on both. The G35 guys love him.

Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Rewind a couple days:
It was brought to my attention that there was suspicion Scott was posting over there under the username 4MeUwill.

I checked it out, and it was very obvious that it was Scott. He posted in Raj's build thread taking issue with a Forged sticker on Raj's old VRT strut bar, which he thought was an RA strut bar. It was something that only Scott himself would have noticed in that engine bay pic and been so personally offended that he would be compelled to post a comment about it.

Then as the thread progressed with further posts by 4MeUwill, it became more and more obvious that it was Scott. The posts had the same grammar, syntax, run-on sentences, reading comprehension of other's posts, and the EXACT SAME SPELLING ERRORS that many of us here on my350z have become all too familiar with over the years.

XKR and I called him out on it. I flagged one of his posts and reported it to the mods, yet nothing happened.
This is completely bogus, and you and Mike are lying through your teeth. The guy that you are referring to is the roommate of Scott's administrator for his website


Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Yesterday:
I sent a PM to one of the mods raising hell about the situation and the perceived inaction by the mod/admin staff. Very soon after my PM, my post that pointed out in detail the striking similarities between Scott's known posts and 4MeUwill was deleted. Then 4MeUwill's posts were soon deleted and the thread got cleaned up. I subsequently received a PM from the administrator Garnet Canuck that no action would be taken and that he didn't appreciate me accusing his staff of not doing their job.
The mods probably didn't respond because your claims were groundless, and nothing was changed or altered. These contentions have NO supporting facts.

Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Shortly thereafter, Scott was posting again as wa2good in an RA related thread. On 2-10-09 in that thread Canadian posted:

http://g35driver.com/forums/3903105-post38.html


SOOO... Instead of busting Scott on instigating drama in somebody else's thread under yet another username/alias and permabanning his 4MeUwill account, g35driver let him keep that alias and lifted his ban. EPIC FAIL!!!

g35driver staff FTMFL

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Scott was allowed back on driver because the new admin could not figure out why he was banned to begin with. A new investigation was finished, which yielded a result that Scott never posted as a different user name.

Further, as stated above, G35driver is under different control than my350z, and is being run as a separate entity, so why would you expect someone to be banned on both sites.

Further, Scott's current ban gives no reason for him being banned
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Evidently, Canadian was successful in his campaign to get IB to lift the ban.

Hopefully, that BULLSH*T doesn't happen here too. The old mods here know that Scott was banned for damned good reasons and IB needs to be educated.
Then educate us. Prove to us that Scott was using multiple screen names. I would like to see this since none of the other admins, nor owners of the site could....
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
He was part owner of VRT and then formed his own company Relentless Autosports.

He was constantly making outrageous performance/technical claims that he couldn't/wouldn't back up with evidence (DJ dyno sheets, videos, etc.) as well as constantly pissing in other vendors' and members' threads with stupid inflammatory comments and unsolicited self promotion.

Prime example:
Claiming 800whp WITHOUT a stand alone EMS or return fuel system on the JWT 700bb kit.


Scott finally got busted using multiple usernames to support himself and pick fights. He was then permabanned from both my350z and g35driver.
Again all of this is false.

As too your prime example, Scott and his guys had been experimenting for a long time on training and re-writing the codes on the stock ecu. I've personally seen a 650 whp car that was running no ems like your "prime example" car.
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Originally Posted by Philthy
I'm not a fan of Scott, but who cares already... There are more shady people in this industry than just Scott, but I'm done trying to expose them - I'll just continue to make them whine and make excuses at the track!
Okay Mr. I blew up my motor at the track....
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
LOL I already explained twice above (once to Car vs. Driver and once to you in BOLD RED FONT) why I dislike Scott and have a beef with him. Folks who were members here before Scott got banned and frequented the FI section know what this is all about. I don't feel like spoon feeding you. So if you don't care enough to spend a bunch of time searching, you should stop posting in this thread.
Dude, you have no beef with Scott. You have never dealt with him, nor have you spoken to him or his customers. All you know is above VRT, which Scott hasn't been a part of for years, and left BECAUSE of their shady dealings.
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Originally Posted by JAM3Z
Scott made a bunch of crazy claims and frankly, that sullies the reputation of this community.
show me how?

p.s. if you guys keep bashing I'm going to keep pointing flaws in your arguments. I can do this all day.
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OK RudeG, you have been called out on multiple claims. Let's see some proof and not just insults.

Otherwise you are being a lot like Scott and just making false claims. Maybe not about VQ performance but instead about someone else's actions.

I can't prove Scott did or didn't do these so I don't go around saying he did.

XKR on the other had has taken the time to provide some proof why he has serious issues with Scott. A lot more than I can say for you.
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Originally Posted by XKR
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One of you Scott fans...ask him does he remember a customer from the VRT days by the name of Brian Williams...Silver G35..Tan interior...The guy he tried to sell some rims to at VRT...but this person told him he does not buy used parts....VRT went on to do a JWT TT and "BUILD" motor. Another hint....he gave you an item to install...but it was never installed but came up missing and you had to replace it and ship it.

Hint...my last name is also Williams This person was also too embarrassed to speak up.....and because of potential litigation, I did not also.We all know now that Mike will never be caught...so all the pretending can stop.
This is a bogus story. Scott keeps files on all of his customers and you brother is not in any of the files, nor does Scott remember the G35 you specified. Sorry, but this is another bogus statement against Scott. Your brother may have dealt with VRT, but it was never Scott

If you attempt to contest this, provide proof or GTFO
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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Ok, as everyone here knows, I do not have any problems with Scott. I am friends with QuickSilver, probably one of the biggest criticizers of Scott. Jorge knows I like to keep things fair.

Originally Posted by Lawy'dU
Statement1: The prior allegations that Scott was posting with multiple usernames has already been proven false. The IP addresses have already been checked, and confirmed.
I am completely sick of seeing this statement. I sat here, looked up the IP address of the other name, and called Scott. I asked Scott if he knew where the other person was. Scott said no. The location on the IP was El Cajon.

So, let this die.
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Where's the dyno sheets proving his power claims? Let's start at the beginning if all this proof has to be given here.

Anyone notice that the ban has been reinstated? This making most of this flaming today moot? Just a note.
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
Well no! I was just working at VRT when all of the criminal activity was going down... errr but I didn't know it was going on, even though I was working there... and errrr I let someone use my computer.. errr... the car DOES make 800whp w/out fuel and dyno#'s... err.... Lift teh bans on G35driver plez?
Scott never said he didn't know what was going on, He left because MrA was such a thief. In the short time he was there after he found out, he did everything he could to make things right to several people. He is the guy that helped me get the correct parts on my car and get back some of the money that MrA stole from me. You are a vendor and you speak out your *** like this? You need to learn the facts before you speak.

Originally Posted by Cass007
As a relative Noob in terms of years of membership all I can say is that even I know that VRT=FAIL.
Very true. VRT is the textbook definition of fail. Relentless autosports is not VRT.

Originally Posted by Cass007
IMHO any shop or member that consistantly distorts performance claims to make themselves look better or their competition look bad deserves the permaban.
so all his podium finishes and still not a blown motor are distortions and claims?

Originally Posted by XKR
One of you Scott fans...ask him does he remember a customer from the VRT days by the name of Brian Williams...Silver G35..Tan interior...The guy he tried to sell some rims to at VRT...but this person told him he does not buy used parts....VRT went on to do a JWT TT and "BUILD" motor. Another hint....he gave you an item to install...but it was never installed but came up missing and you had to replace it and ship it.
I asked Scott about this and he said he honestly has no idea who you are talking about. When was this work done? Maybe that will refresh his memory a bit.

Originally Posted by GreenGoblin
Rude, It is sad to say, but that is all you are. You have no proof and are no help. If you did get burned by Scott, why not give some light to those who could benefit from it.
He didn't get burned by Scott. He has never done business with Scott or spoken to him. If he had, he would know Scott is a stand up guy who takes care of his customers. Scott is no thief, he has even talked me out of a couple products (that would have put money in his pocket) because he told me I don't need them and that I would be wasting my money.

Originally Posted by JS04
Typed in VRT in the search field and bam!!!!!

https://my350z.com/forum/shop-builds/300155-vrt.html

And VRT screwed SCC also.
Once again, VRT is not RA. And VRT screwing over SCC was LOOOONNNGGGG after Scott already left. The pictures of the SCC that showed up were sitting in the yard of MrA. Scott never touched that car.
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawy'dU
Okay Mr. I blew up my motor at the track....
Not this guy again, LOL

Yes, we did hurt the motor at one event, and then followed it up win back to back wins and track records!

I have nothing to prove to you, I have the fastest G35 timeattack car in the country or world for that matter! Why don't you come to the track and try and beat us?

Haha, only back on the forum for a few hours and back in the drama...
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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this thread has more mudslinging than last years campaign trails.

Originally Posted by Lawy'dU
This is a bogus story. Scott keeps files on all of his customers and you brother is not in any of the files, nor does Scott remember the G35 you specified. Sorry, but this is another bogus statement against Scott. Your brother may have dealt with VRT, but it was never Scott

If you attempt to contest this, provide proof or GTFO
How do you know that?
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Where's the dyno sheets proving his power claims? Let's start at the beginning if all this proof has to be given here.

Anyone notice that the ban has been reinstated? This making most of this flaming today moot? Just a note.
ttrank posted it on the first page I believe.
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I reviewed the posts bry ttrank but didn't see any dyno references.
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To be perfectly honest, when I met Scott, I had sorta a problem with him. At the time I met him he was part of RA, and VRT had been gone for a year.

I had found near finals a little over a year ago a JWT twin turbo kit on craigslist for sale for $2000. This also included full suspension as well. The guy was a recent grad student and was getting rid of his car, so he just wanted a little bit of cash for everything.

I setup on, I believe, on Monday morning to purchase the kit. The seller had just had the kit removed (by a different mechanic) and was taking it to his tuner to verify that the kit was complete. The seller also heavily recommended Scott to install and tune the kit. About a day or two later I saw a thread on my350z for a JWT TT kit for sale in SD, so I called the seller to make sure this wasn't the kit I had already arranged to purchase. It turned out it was, so I automatically jumped to the conclusion that Scott was attempting to make extra money on the deal and screw me over.

The seller had Scott give me a call. Scott notified me that there was quite a bit of the kit that was missing and improperly uninstalled, including the split second box, fuel pump, etc. In the end the price that Scott still wanted for the kit (installed) was more than fair. I ended up telling scott to let me think about it for a day, but if he found another buyer, to not wait for me to get back to him. I called the next morning, but at that point the kit was long gone.

About a month later I contacted Scott to purchase a set of BC coilovers. After a month of waiting for them I gave up on Scott, and purchased them from another Vendor on my350 that bashed scott pretty heavily through pm as well. It turned out that there was a communication error with Scott and Pete at BC, and Pete thought that Scott was asking for coilovers for a demo car (a.k.a. free coilovers), and not coilovers for purchase.

Then I began to read all of the crap that you guys have said a bout Scott and at that point I was beginning to believe you guys. HOWEVER, about a month after the whole coilover ordeal, I met Scott in person, at one of the SD bi-weekly meets. I was utterly impressed by him and he explained what had happened, and appologized for the gap in communication.

Since then I saw him and the cars he had been working on at least once every two weeks. About two months after getting to know Scott, I found out that he had a used vortech kit that he was taking off of a customer's car and was selling. I ended up purchasing the kit and having him install and tune it. Since I have been nothing but impressed with the results.

Further, I have yet to meet someone that has met directly with Scott or who has spoken with Scott that hasn't been impressed and less than happy with Scott's work. I have met though throughout this time, tons of unhappy customers from other shops, and have learned how wrong you guys are.

This is my story with Scott, from a real customer, and from someone who has read the bs that you guys have put out about him.
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Originally Posted by iStan


I am completely sick of seeing this statement. I sat here, looked up the IP address of the other name, and called Scott. I asked Scott if he knew where the other person was. Scott said no. The location on the IP was El Cajon.

So, let this die.
I'm confused. What does this prove? It proves that the location is in San Diego, or that Scott was using the same IP. Sorry Stan, but your post is meaningless without clarification.
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Originally Posted by kernel843
this thread has more mudslinging than last years campaign trails.
Indeed. It is completely absent of facts, and all convoluted crap spewed out by people that don't know scott and that have never used his services.

Originally Posted by kernel843
How do you know that?
I spoke with him around an hour ago.



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