noob

 

one would think so

https://my350z.com/forum/forced-indu...expirence.html


fact is.. no VQ is made the same ... Nissan made some strong.. some weak.. some dyno high.. some dyno low.. some DE's last up to 480 whp .. some can't make it past 330 whp.. and i'm sure the HR is no different

though the majority of HR's maybe strong than DE's... thats not to say a DE won't do 480 whp safely and an HR will blow at 400.. same tuner.. same components

 

Laugh. Because the car had a fked up tune you are saying that all HR's are like that? Give me a break.

Most 95% of the VQ's are the same into the same tolerances. Mass produced engines are like this, not ones built like the GT-R.

The tunes is what makes the difference if the car will last a long time or not.
Fact is the DE is a weaker engine over the HR period.

 

exactly...progress. Just as am sure the HR will be weaker the 370 motor.

 

OP is a noob and needs to know about the differences first. YOU FAIL, TRY AGAIN!

 

Get an 08...the discounts are HUGE though the end of March...they can be had for around 20-23k+fees NEW. So...go with the 08 and turbo that. The refinements for the HR Z's are worth it too; especially the old stering vs speed-sensitive steering and interior upgrades, plus the fact you can ACTUALLY check the oil in the HR. my f*&king charge pipe makes it near impossible now when it was extremely difficult stock

 

damn yall are harsh...i did kinda f*** up with the motor names but anyways the HR is stronger then the DE right as in can handle more safely

 

You think because some guy on a high boost setting on a dyno does it, that a person could TRULY drive the p!ss out of it and it would last? Dont you think shops like to throw big numbers around then turn it down 90% of the time? If you answered, yes then no, to those Q's, you have a lot to learn

BTW-if that's the same PF car Im thinking about, the car made tons of power on the dyno and trapped some weaksauce $hit at the track that my 390whp DE setup would have bent over twice with me missing a gear.

 

just buy a DE, throw on a Turbonetics, and call it a day. @sshole!

 

I think he knows they are both VQ motors He probably just did not word it correctly. Kinda like my spelling sometime...

 

How did you come to the conclusion it was a bad tune?

obviously you havn't been in the FI Forum very long.. i suggest you start reading and do less yapping..

The tune does play a major part.. but as i said earlier.. not all of them are built the same.. even people with bolt on's know this.. this must be your first 350z.. suprisingly you been here since 2004.. you have alot of reading to do to educate yourself on the 350z VQ Motors

and by the way... how long has your car been boosted? and how often do you drive it?

 

will a single turbo even support 450whp safely?

 

there is no way to tell.. you play the game and hope you win.. some blow on 330 whp.. some blow on 500 whp.. its a game of roulette

 

^ +10000

 

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it has nothing to do with being single or twins...
While there is a lil bit of roulette on build blocks... you gotta consider, the tune, the "shape" of the stock block prior to Fi, driver habbits, driving skillz.
You will not find safe, just different levels of confort depending on invest. (example, you can get a blue printed cosworth block and still be suckered into using SS Box )
You simply pay to play, no other way to look at it.

 

Nobody is arguing that the HR motor is more robust. But to say at this point in time that it can handle XXX whp is silly and IMO irresponsible as a person who tunes these cars. Look at the WIDE power range that the DE motors fail, even to this day, we will see the same thing in HR motors for a while until an avg figure is established.

 

+1 - It took years for a general concensous to form that the DE stock block was good to around 400whp. The true limits of the HR are still being debated as more kits specific to them hit the market and they become the new standard for modding. As usual, Alberto is right.

 

The one thing I would consider on the HR motor is the oil consumption issues. I change my oil every 2500 miles on my boosted DE motor and have yet to see the oil level drop on my dipstick, even though it is a S.O.B to check! lol I even went to drain out my catch can after about 7000 miles of boost the other day and maybe a tablespoon of oil came out of it. Yes the HR motor has better internals though.

 

not some guy,multiple guys. theres numerous HR motors that have been built on stock internals and made around or more than 500 whp SAFELY already AND on not so high boost. why are you knocking so hard on the hr , its common sense that its an upgrade from the DE. the DE is great as is but just cant handle as much power as the hr simple as that. the limits of the HR are yet to be found but from what ive seen im pretty sure 500 hp is more than safe.

 

Either you are hard headed or just stupid

We had a DE make 560+whp on a Dyno Dynamics

We have also had multiple DE's push 500+whp

Sooner OR LATER they all ended up blown up.

I am not arguing the HR cant make 500whp on a dyno for a few passes, Im not arguing the HR is a more robust motor than the DE, I am not arguing that it should be able to hold more power,I am not even arguing the HR cant survive being driven on a 500whp map by some dyno queen owner who truly doesnt rag the car on the street/track, all I am saying is that dynos and a handful of people doesnt mean that is the end all, be all fate of the HR.

Believing the HR CAN HOLD 500WHP as "good" as the DE does 400whp HAS YET TO BE PROVEN, get off the HR ******* and use common sense for a minute....