Hey guys,

Let me first introduce myself as Darryl from Ultimate Racing. We're an import performance manufacturing shop out of Toronto, Canada. Some of you may have noticed that we've had plans for a 350Z/G35 turbo kit for quite some time on our website.

Now I HOPE that I'm not overstepping my boundaries by posting, but if all works out well, I will definitely need to become a paid sponsor of this web board.

My goal for this post, is to gather some information from everyone that would truly be interested in quality turbo kit. I do really emphasize "quality" as we've never been a company to sacrifice quality for price. I will come right out and tell you guys that we're not cheap. We don't sell inferior kits with inferior parts. We use some of the best parts on the market combined with some of the best materials. As the saying goes, what you pay for is what you get.

With all that said, we hope to introduce a bolt-on Twin-Turbo kit complete with true fuel management. Now, of course I can't really get into ALL the parts we plan to use as plans always tend to change while we're prototyping. But to give some of you guys an idea, here are some parts we're planning to use:

- Garrett Twin Turbos
- HKS Wastegate(s)
- HKS SSQV Blow-Off Valve
- Spearco Large Front-Mount Intercooler
- Polished 304 Stainless Steel Intercooler Piping
- Ultimate Racing Larger Injectors
- Electronic Fuel Computer (possibly Greddy E-Manage, depends what works best for us!)

What I can't get into now, is how much horsepower our kit will produce. This will be one of those things where we will just go at it, and get as much reliable power as we can without comprimising the integrity of the motor.

If anyone has ever surfed our website in the past, you'll have noticed that our turbo kits were never designed to achieve peak horsepower figures, but to imrpove the car where it needs power. As an example, our Honda S2000 turbo kit was designed to improve mid-range power. Something the S2000 SERIOUSLY lacks out of the box.

Ok, now I'm sure everyone wants to know pricing, and for the most part, that was the main purpose of this post. We project the complete kit to run in the $7000 USD range. By the time we finish, could be more, could be less. Should definitely hover around there though. What I need to know now, is what everyone thinks about this.

We are at a point where we as a company need to add another car to our line-up. In the past, we use to bring in customer cars as "prototype" cars and give them a special deal. We've since stopped doing this as it became a HUGE hassle. Now, whenever we need to prototype for a car, we purchase the car ourselves. So we need to know if a 350Z is a worthwhile car to make products for.

So shoot me back some responses. I'd love to hear them.

Thanks for your time guys.

Darryl




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Who ever can get a kit out first is probably who I will go with if the kit is complete, made well, and not obscenely priced.

I think it is.. pretty sure most people on this forum will agree

If you are looking for other opinions, here's mine... I wish someone would make a large single turbo kit rather than twins. I'm not convinced the extra weight, extra piping, and extra hardware for the same power as a single turbo make the twins worth while. If I was building a kit for myself (not entirely out of the question) I would use Garret or PE turbos.

If you do decide making a kit is worth your time, sounds like you will have a very nice one to consider.

 

Well, I have to agree with John on the single turbo setup. If you want to be different, and attract some business with cost and a good kit, a single would be a good way to go. I would love to see someone put out a single turbo kit with a standalone. Maybe the price could be competitive with the Greddy, HKS, PE and other kits that are coming out, which will all be twins with piggybacks.

Honestly, I have never heard of you guys, and if you come out with a kit like the Greddy for a similar price, if I am buying, I am buying the Greddy. But if you come out with something different, and something that makes more sense, like what I have mentioned, then you would be in the running.

 

"ditto"

For 7 G-s, you need - Max power
PE is offer more parts in their package

 

I'm for the single turbo set up too,

as far as Ultimate Racing, they where one of the first to put an evo 8 in to 11.97 sec

hey you guys do good work on all the cars Darryl
look forward to it

 

Will it fit on the Infiniti G35 Sedan?

 

here is a link to their site www.ultimate-racing.com

 

I've heard of you guys. You where recently mentioned on Modified Mag to have twin Mitsu Evolution. A red and a yellow one I think.

I agree with above post, that a single turbo set-up would be something different. Also in the long run.. less parts and piping so less things to worry about.

Also with a complete standalone that would set you guys apart from the 2 turbo outfit I know of. Greddy is a piggy-back with e-manage and PE I think is still a ECU re-flash from technosquare.

I think the more the merrier. Keep us updated if you proceed with the project.

 

Hey guys,

Thanks for the replies!

As far as a single turbo goes, it's just not realistic. You need to realize the design and size of the motor versus the power it can actually handle.

In order to use a single turbo, it would need to be a decently sized one in order to work effectively with the size of the 350Z motor. This being said, the turbo would probably need to be on the large side to be effective. Something definitely larger than the average T3/T04E turbo family. However, in order for this turbo to produce decent power, it should definitely be spec'd out to run in its efficiency range. Efficiency range for a larger turbo is definitely not going to be 6-8psi of boost pressure. More likely, 14-20psi. There's no way a stock motor will be able to handle that type of power. As well, it would be useless to run that size of a turbo at 6psi. It just makes more sense to run a twin turbo setup. Hope this has helped you guys out!

Darryl

 

lyonsd

If all works out, our goal is to complete one turbo kit on either a 350Z or a G35. When one is complete, we will then transfer the kit over to the other car, make alterations as necessary.

Darryl

 

single turbo setup?

ehh.. i would hesistate on planning the piping on that one... room in the engine bay is already really tight for two, trying to route one side of the engine to the other and putting a turbo somewhere is going to be hard unless you have the turbo somewhere furtuer down near the back of the engine where the headers collect to the Ypipe..

good luck on the TT kit Darryl-

 

I agree. TT is the most realistic option at this point. Short of a fully built motor, a single is not a good idea.

I would say go for it on the car and prototype. That is easy for me to say, you guys have to buy the car and supply the R and D. I do think everyone on the forum would be interested. Just understand there will be quite a bit of competition out there, my guess is 5-8 FI kits by next year.

It seems you guys make kits that are capable of competing with the others though, and there is (and will be) a huge market for aftermarket parts.

 

Ok, if no single turbo, offer a package with some modified internals and running at more boost...

There needs to be some competitive advantage over the other turbo kits that will be out there. They will have first mover advatages because theirs are almost ready for release...

But I do like your "quality" idea... and BTW where are the ex-pipes in the package?

 

all i can offer from my 2cents is that 7g's sound a lil high in price...i remember when everyone used to flip when they heard the greddy kit was gonna cost like 6 g's...now every kit seems to be more then that.....as a customer, i'm probably gonna get one of the first couple/few kits that are offered...i dunno how much longer i can wait for all these FI kits to come out

 

Well, if I were a manufactor trying to make money, I would have something on my product that is different than others and make it worth making a person wait on it. If you are truely looking at the higher end, then I have to agree with what someone else said. Include rods (weakest link) and some other things, and produce a kit that can run higher boost levels.

Some have said they are aware of your company, and that is fine by me. But if I were the owner of the company, I wouldn't want another "me too" product, especially when it will probably be out later than other products. I would want something different to give me an advantage over others, or don't do it at all. Put out a kit just like the competitors, at a later time than them with less name recognition, and you are not going to get the desired results that you want.

I want a choice out there, not a bunch of the same kits. Give me that choice, PLEASE.

 

Well said little_rod. I think you and I had the same Marketing professor.

Don't flame me for this but in my Greddy catalog for last year there were NO twin turbo kits for more than $6100. I know most if not all of them are more or less replacement kits for Supras and 300TT's but its still full kits. Try your best to keep it in that range by offering a base kit that looks really cheap with names like Garrett, TIAL, and HKS, but offer upgrades to give MORE performance. People will always pay more for upgraded names and performance. This theory is based on how Nissan sold us our 350Z. Base, Enthusiast, Performance, Touring, and Track. Geez, if I left one out then let me know.
I would buy a custom setup such as this mainly due to upgradeable parts and the aura that surrounds it on the street scene. IF YOU BUILD THE KITS, WE WILL COME! ! ! !

 

LOL, AL350Z, getting my Masters in Business Administration right now. Guess it came out in that post. Since they are not the first movers, they have to do something to make their product different than the rest.

 

Wouldn't that be kind of hard, however? The only place they really could be different would be on the price, seeing as how most if not all of the TT makers are going to be pretty much including the same items that they're looking at using.

 

That is why it is hard to make money in business, cbsuper. But many things have been pointed out in this trend. Things such as standalones and the ability to run higher boost levels right out the box. We have talked about a single, but it has been ruled out cause of practicality. Turbo timers, intercoolers, boost controllers, and such can be included, but of course, that comes back to price. The point is, if there are 500 kits out that are basically the same, someone isn't going to be happy.

It is basic though, if your market is developed (which in this case, it could be by the time you can get a kit tested and ready), then you have to look into product differentation.

 

Good luck to you Ultimate racing. All I have to say is that it will be pretty hard to beat Greddy's deal unless you drop the price. Greddy will be offering the kit in seperate parts. You will be able to buy the turbo kit and if you decide to run more boost add the intercooler and boost controller later on for a lot less. As for the quality of products, they are using big turbos with external waste gates and the e manage for spark and fuel. All good quality products.