DIY.. APS TT Build on a RHD UK car.....
09-08-2009, 02:31 PM
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DIY.. APS TT Build on a RHD UK car.....
Guys just thought id post up my progress so far.. these posts are lifter from out IK 350z forum. Nissansportz.com.
You lot in the USA have ALOT more info on FI than the UK so all help and tips are welcome.
:ninja: lol....
After a long time think of what i wanted to do with the zed tossing between supercharging and turbo's i've finally taken the plunge!!! WOOOOHOOOO!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
I have been looking at kits made in the USA for LHD cars but i came across this deal and could not say no.
Its the full (old grarrett turbo's not the new crap chinese copy's) APS TT kit. It come with the full APS fuel system and hydra nemisis ECU thrown in. The kit was still fitted to a VQ35DE with 34k miles on it when i picked it up. So i now have a second block to play with if after ive stripped it down it checks out ok.
The engine looks to have a blown head gasket or broken ring land on cylinder 6. the compression test was great across 1-5 but cylinder 6 was down on pressure.
Its been a fun few days last week because i managed to drag a mate down to essex with me in a merc 208d van! 80 mph top speed and no radio!!! 476 miles round trip and over 8 hours driving and i had my engine back in the garage!!
Ill keep this thread up dated when i get things done but ill post a few pics of what's happened so far...
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So far the Plenum (upper and lower) has been removed, fuel rails and injectors, sump, driver and passenger turbo's, manifold's, oil and coolant lines, oil pump, front belts, both belt tensioner's, and the passenger side cam cover, coil packs and spark plugs.
Im having a little trouble getting the crank pulley off because the engine wants to turn
?? I think im gonna need an impact gun! lol.. :boxing:
You lot in the USA have ALOT more info on FI than the UK so all help and tips are welcome.
:ninja: lol....
After a long time think of what i wanted to do with the zed tossing between supercharging and turbo's i've finally taken the plunge!!! WOOOOHOOOO!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
I have been looking at kits made in the USA for LHD cars but i came across this deal and could not say no.
Its the full (old grarrett turbo's not the new crap chinese copy's) APS TT kit. It come with the full APS fuel system and hydra nemisis ECU thrown in. The kit was still fitted to a VQ35DE with 34k miles on it when i picked it up. So i now have a second block to play with if after ive stripped it down it checks out ok.
The engine looks to have a blown head gasket or broken ring land on cylinder 6. the compression test was great across 1-5 but cylinder 6 was down on pressure.
Its been a fun few days last week because i managed to drag a mate down to essex with me in a merc 208d van! 80 mph top speed and no radio!!! 476 miles round trip and over 8 hours driving and i had my engine back in the garage!!
Ill keep this thread up dated when i get things done but ill post a few pics of what's happened so far...
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So far the Plenum (upper and lower) has been removed, fuel rails and injectors, sump, driver and passenger turbo's, manifold's, oil and coolant lines, oil pump, front belts, both belt tensioner's, and the passenger side cam cover, coil packs and spark plugs.
Im having a little trouble getting the crank pulley off because the engine wants to turn
?? I think im gonna need an impact gun! lol.. :boxing:
09-08-2009, 02:32 PM
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[quote name='Pete350z' post='233466' date='3 Sep 2009, 12:54']Massive respect from myself !! Anyone who is willing to spend the time and money on FI for their Zed gets a thumbs up from me !! If i went down that route the girlfriend would kill me ! :lol:[/quote]
LOL.. my girlfriend did kill me but she's coming round to the idea now!! lol..
[quote name='TONY420z' post='233463' date='3 Sep 2009, 12:35']Hi nice project are you going to do the engine internals get big power out of the aps kit maybe 500bhp?
I would get oil cooler+large radiator etc whats your plans[/quote]
Im not so sure as what to do now? I was going to remove the APS kit of the damaged engine and then clean it up and refit it to my original engine. Then may be build the damaged engine up with new aftermarket rods,pistons ect.. and if/when my stock block failed then swap over the engines.
I may just build the full engine on the stand and then swap over the whole motor and go for big power straight away????
I will look at a koyo rad and a large oil cooler down the road for sure.. Im also looking at evan's NGP supercoolant too if any one has used it before. (it turns the stock coolant system into a pressure less system and helps stop hot spots so i beleave??)
[quote name='mrsteve' post='233465' date='3 Sep 2009, 12:53']good choice m8, laptimes might come down a bit now :P[/quote]
Yeah mate 400bhp should knock a few seconds off!! :bounce: :bounce:
Just a few more pic's (sorry about the quality just off my iphone) of whats happened today.
I managed to get the crank pulley off (huge braker bar and lots of grunting!! haha..) this allowed me to take the front timing cover off, ready to get the heads off next.
I also whipped the lower block oil pan off just for some more access to things.
Not long till im spooling my self silly!!!
LOL.. my girlfriend did kill me but she's coming round to the idea now!! lol..
[quote name='TONY420z' post='233463' date='3 Sep 2009, 12:35']Hi nice project are you going to do the engine internals get big power out of the aps kit maybe 500bhp?
I would get oil cooler+large radiator etc whats your plans[/quote]
Im not so sure as what to do now? I was going to remove the APS kit of the damaged engine and then clean it up and refit it to my original engine. Then may be build the damaged engine up with new aftermarket rods,pistons ect.. and if/when my stock block failed then swap over the engines.
I may just build the full engine on the stand and then swap over the whole motor and go for big power straight away????
I will look at a koyo rad and a large oil cooler down the road for sure.. Im also looking at evan's NGP supercoolant too if any one has used it before. (it turns the stock coolant system into a pressure less system and helps stop hot spots so i beleave??)
[quote name='mrsteve' post='233465' date='3 Sep 2009, 12:53']good choice m8, laptimes might come down a bit now :P[/quote]
Yeah mate 400bhp should knock a few seconds off!! :bounce: :bounce:
Just a few more pic's (sorry about the quality just off my iphone) of whats happened today.
I managed to get the crank pulley off (huge braker bar and lots of grunting!! haha..) this allowed me to take the front timing cover off, ready to get the heads off next.
I also whipped the lower block oil pan off just for some more access to things.
Not long till im spooling my self silly!!!
09-08-2009, 02:33 PM
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Little update guys... :bounce:
Spent a few hours this afternoon doing a bit more work on the engine.
Few more pic's.
I managed to get the timing chain off which took me a while to work out how to get off!
After the timing chain was off that allowed me to remove the cam timing gears.
Its very smart how the cam timing is changed on the intake side using an oil solanoid and the lager cam gears. Ill get a few pic' next time im working on the engine.
Exhaust cam removed.
Passenger side head removed. So far so good. I cant see a crack in the block on cylinder 6 so im hoping that when i pull the crank and rods out the ring land has gone?? The pistons look in good nick for a boosted engine too! The head gasket was a little damaged taking the head off but the is no sign's of scoring of and leaks which is another good thing.
So far guys its going well. ill strip the driver side head down on monday i think and maybe pull the crank out so ill keep you posted
Spent a few hours this afternoon doing a bit more work on the engine.
Few more pic's.
I managed to get the timing chain off which took me a while to work out how to get off!
After the timing chain was off that allowed me to remove the cam timing gears.
Its very smart how the cam timing is changed on the intake side using an oil solanoid and the lager cam gears. Ill get a few pic' next time im working on the engine.
Exhaust cam removed.
Passenger side head removed. So far so good. I cant see a crack in the block on cylinder 6 so im hoping that when i pull the crank and rods out the ring land has gone?? The pistons look in good nick for a boosted engine too! The head gasket was a little damaged taking the head off but the is no sign's of scoring of and leaks which is another good thing.
So far guys its going well. ill strip the driver side head down on monday i think and maybe pull the crank out so ill keep you posted
09-08-2009, 02:34 PM
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Todays Update :blink:
Made some more good progress guys.
Second head removed today along with the AC compressor, rear half of the timing cover. Alot of mine time is spent screwing the bolts back into where they came from after parts have been removed!
I went down to Dyno demon (my local tuner/engine shop) and had a look over and EVO 6 engine that was having crank case pressure problems (blowing the dip stick out ect.) when the block was stripped down there were two small cracks in the ring line on cylinder 4. Once the piston ring had been removed a chunk of the ring land fell out! This would be the ideal situation for my engine as this ring land failed and did not damage the bore at all!
All will be revealed when i get the pistons/rods out some time this week.
Few more pic's....
Not long guys!!!
Made some more good progress guys.
Second head removed today along with the AC compressor, rear half of the timing cover. Alot of mine time is spent screwing the bolts back into where they came from after parts have been removed!
I went down to Dyno demon (my local tuner/engine shop) and had a look over and EVO 6 engine that was having crank case pressure problems (blowing the dip stick out ect.) when the block was stripped down there were two small cracks in the ring line on cylinder 4. Once the piston ring had been removed a chunk of the ring land fell out! This would be the ideal situation for my engine as this ring land failed and did not damage the bore at all!
All will be revealed when i get the pistons/rods out some time this week.
Few more pic's....
Not long guys!!!
09-09-2009, 10:43 AM
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Today's fun....
For a few hours work i got alot done this afternoon!
Few item's that were removed today, Windage tray, block girdle, crank caps, crank, oil pump, all rod's and piston's and finally i pulled the engine mounts off.
Some more pic's..
Windage tray removed. And block girdle removed.
Crank cap's removed.
Starting to removed some of the rod's and piston's.
All rod's and Piston's remove now!!
Oil pump and crank removed. Holly crap the crank is heavy! It must weigh 20kg at least!
Close up of the under piston oil spray's.
Rebuilt the bottom of the crank cap's and windage tray just to keep them out the way and clean.
Final shot of the fully stripped down block. It's really light!
Crank,rod's and piston's removed.
More under piston's oil spray's.
Now for the diagnosis!!!!!
5 out of the 6 piston's have cracked ring lands!!!!!!
Some look ok and some are only held together with the rings!!!! Cylinder 1 (the front driver side) is the only one that looks in good nick. The pistons have no sign's of detonation on the flame face but to crack 5 out of the 6 ring land's it may have been a very bad tune or the engine has been over rev'ed??
All the bearings look in ok condition and non of the rod's "look" bent. The main thing is there is no damage as far as i can see to the block!!
Ill get some close up pic's of the broken piston's when i've cleaned them up.
Tim.
For a few hours work i got alot done this afternoon!
Few item's that were removed today, Windage tray, block girdle, crank caps, crank, oil pump, all rod's and piston's and finally i pulled the engine mounts off.
Some more pic's..
Windage tray removed. And block girdle removed.
Crank cap's removed.
Starting to removed some of the rod's and piston's.
All rod's and Piston's remove now!!
Oil pump and crank removed. Holly crap the crank is heavy! It must weigh 20kg at least!
Close up of the under piston oil spray's.
Rebuilt the bottom of the crank cap's and windage tray just to keep them out the way and clean.
Final shot of the fully stripped down block. It's really light!
Crank,rod's and piston's removed.
More under piston's oil spray's.
Now for the diagnosis!!!!!
5 out of the 6 piston's have cracked ring lands!!!!!!
Some look ok and some are only held together with the rings!!!! Cylinder 1 (the front driver side) is the only one that looks in good nick. The pistons have no sign's of detonation on the flame face but to crack 5 out of the 6 ring land's it may have been a very bad tune or the engine has been over rev'ed??
All the bearings look in ok condition and non of the rod's "look" bent. The main thing is there is no damage as far as i can see to the block!!
Ill get some close up pic's of the broken piston's when i've cleaned them up.
Tim.
09-09-2009, 11:12 AM
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ehehe I see you decided to go FI in the end.
Props to you mate, I wouldn't have the knowledge/skill/tools to do this DIY.
So what's your plan of action? I'm guessing stronger internals.... who's going to do the machine work? Surely you can't do that DIY
Have you got a parts list in mind??
My Z should be ready to be broken in hopefully end of next week eveything crossed!
Props to you mate, I wouldn't have the knowledge/skill/tools to do this DIY.
So what's your plan of action? I'm guessing stronger internals.... who's going to do the machine work? Surely you can't do that DIY
Have you got a parts list in mind??My Z should be ready to be broken in hopefully end of next week eveything crossed!
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This is what you need next time you try to remove the crank pulley with the motor out 
http://www.costplustools.com/Kent-Mo...i_p_10228.html
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09-10-2009, 01:00 PM
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ehehe I see you decided to go FI in the end.
Props to you mate, I wouldn't have the knowledge/skill/tools to do this DIY.
So what's your plan of action? I'm guessing stronger internals.... who's going to do the machine work? Surely you can't do that DIY Have you got a parts list in mind??
My Z should be ready to be broken in hopefully end of next week eveything crossed!
Props to you mate, I wouldn't have the knowledge/skill/tools to do this DIY.
So what's your plan of action? I'm guessing stronger internals.... who's going to do the machine work? Surely you can't do that DIY
Have you got a parts list in mind??My Z should be ready to be broken in hopefully end of next week eveything crossed!
Im ether going to fit the turbo's to my stock block and build the other block over the next year until i finally swap the block over.
Internals i would be looking at cosworth rod's and piston's like your build, cosworth/HKS head gasket and im not sure what else yet ???
Ill be using the CJM fuel return and DW injectors once the built block goes in but for the time being ill stick to the APS gear.
I cant wait to see your car finished mate! I hope you hit the magic 500RWHP mate!
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don't forget the clutch...and exhaust! Then radiator, oil cooler, gauges... endless list mate pace yourself, good idea on fitting the TT to your engine then build this one over a period of time!! (just make sure you don't blow it!!) Who's tuning the Hydra?
Re. my goal, it's just a reference number tbh, if I hit say 450whp but the car is driveable, it'll do! I think I'm gonna break it in myself, then drive it back done for the power tuning...by then I might even already have a Cosworth plenum to swap too!
pace yourself, good idea on fitting the TT to your engine then build this one over a period of time!! (just make sure you don't blow it!!) Who's tuning the Hydra?Re. my goal, it's just a reference number tbh, if I hit say 450whp but the car is driveable, it'll do! I think I'm gonna break it in myself, then drive it back done for the power tuning...by then I might even already have a Cosworth plenum to swap too!
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09-17-2009, 02:30 AM
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Just a little update on the build too....
Finally got my block down to DRB engineering where my mate works and got it into the parts washers.
First wash was degreaser in boiling water. 15mins cycle.
Then the block was chemical washed in solivent at around 50c. for 15mins
Then a finally water wash to remove the solvent.
The block is nice now and ready for machine work :P
Finally got my block down to DRB engineering where my mate works and got it into the parts washers.
First wash was degreaser in boiling water. 15mins cycle.
Then the block was chemical washed in solivent at around 50c. for 15mins
Then a finally water wash to remove the solvent.
The block is nice now and ready for machine work :P
09-17-2009, 09:26 AM
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Im not sure mate?? I left the bolts in because it's easyer to remember where they all go!!! Also it does keep the threads clean and makes the block easyer to handle when its hot after coming out the parts washer!
09-17-2009, 06:58 PM
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This is awesome, I remember having to do this same thing. Crazy how much damage the pistons had, how was this engine running? At least your lucky it didnt have a broken rod like mine did, i had to get a second block since it was cracked from the rod hitting.
Keep up the good work man, btw i posted on ur other thread.
Keep up the good work man, btw i posted on ur other thread.
