+1 on this. Dave and I butt heads on this often, because I want everything to stop for me and he needs to juggle several projects to make payroll and pay bills. We are getting better at reaching an understanding, but when you are 2 states and 2.5 hours away, a timeline for pickup is important. Raj is 100% correct about both managing expectations and doubling a timeline that the shop gives you.

Believe me, my Z spent almost a year going for shop to shop and lift to lift, it becomes extremely frustrating. You miss the car less and less the longer it is gone, all the while questioning more and more if it is worth the money being spent.

 

according to the op you never paid the other shop to correct your errors.


from a personal perspective,i would never accept a job that would overwhelm the time frame available.it puts you and more important your customer (and his family)at risk.

what was your motivation for taking the job that "you knew" could not be competently completed in the time allowed?

i've turned down sema projects that had unreasonable timelines and it seems your threshold is much lower.

get 'em,bill 'em,push 'em out is not acceptable business practice and all the flowery words in your post about caring mean squat when your actions don't match your words.

 

It seems to me that you have claimed to be a bona fide shop on the forum to gain credibility. However, the name of your shop remains a mystery. Yet, you continually take an aggressive posture towards us on the boards. If you truly are a high end racing shop as you claim, then why don't you get a vendor account and introduce yourself to the community like the rest of us who work in this industry for a living. Then again, considering that you were banned for 30 days for wanton attacks, I sincerely doubt that you have the courage to be above board and are content with taking cheap shots at us from the anonymity of a screen name. Professionalism is an idea that appears to have completely escaped you.

Furthermore, you are making grand assumptions about something you know nothing about. The Canadian shop that is our dealer was paid in full.

I recommend you back out as gracefully as you can at this point...to save whatever face you have left.

 

don't threaten me,it never works.i'm giving opinion in a thread considering the facts presented,if you say the shop was paid then fine....i guess you and the op dissagree.

if my word's are true what difference does it make who i am?

 

LOL I just watched that last night as well....I love Top Gear and TiVo

Good luck with the GT-R tho OP, it's one of my favorite cars...and I'm jealous.

 

GTR's are not trouble free.

 

yeah but the problems to deal with for 600 hp seem to be quite a bit more simple than with our cars. Not to mention, 600hp z = no traction, 600hp gtr = god like.

 

+1 on what Mike@GTM said!! Go-fast please introduce yourself or pls go away!

 

^^^^ +2

Just thought i would throw this out there, not all canadians have the money to go out and buy the GTR

 

+1k what Jay said...when I could afford it I will drive 5 min and have GTM tune my Z!

 

+4 Good job Mike. That was some serious pwnage.

 

Anonymity on the forums is one benefit that should be respected if a member wishes it. In terms of credibility, everyone on the forum should realize that anyone can exaggerate, fabricate, slander, and skew what is said in a post. Take everything with a grain of salt until you do get a sense for who people are by what they contribute to the forums. There is never just one side to a story.

All the points have been addressed anyway - there are some obvious incongruities but that's between GTM and the OP to work out. The OP hasn't asked for help.

No point bickering just for the sake of it...

 

no, not just avoiding random bickering... just dont use your friendships or SELECTIVE reading now.

GTM said its taken care off...FINE thats the right thing(i actually like the Sams 1st line was apologizing to the customer)... but on the all being taken care of....was that part jsut taken care off after the 1st post?...either way...just dont use selective reading now. Any moron that read that 1st post and then Sams post would have wondered the same thing. You basically seem to imply that it was already taken care off too and indirectly sayign the 1st post was a lie on that line, enlighten us plz

 

Selective reading? You're the one doing the selective highlighting in bold. Read again and note the phrase "there are some obvious incongruities".

We're talking what, about a few hundred bucks, "he said this", "he said that". How is debating among ourselves going to help? We don't know anything! This is bickering. The OP hasn't come on and said, "No Sam, the shop hasn't been paid - can you please double check on that". So, WTF?

 

Jorge highlighting specific words like "fabricate" and "slander" in reference to the credibility issue gave me pause to ask who exactly go-fast is. A slight ammendment to my post: If go-fast is indeed affiliated with a VQ commercial enterprise (e.g. shop owner), then he has a conflict of interest in posting in a thread related to another shop. He needs to refrain from call-out, inflammatory posting in such threads. That would be the ethical course of action. Beyond ethics, posting when there is potential commercial benefit from such posting is a violation of the terms of use for this site (along with the defamatory post). If go-fast is not in competition in this market, then perhaps he's in the clear.

A moderator should be checking IP addresses for a match between go-fast and registered vendors. If this is a shop harrassing another shop...

 

they should and will find nothing.... you think they havent done this before?

i dont care who go fast is nor i know where he lives or who he really is... its a mystery, and its meaningless depending if what he says its right.
Debating among ourselves is useless like you siad, but also ignoring it its as well

 

Oh really? You're back peddling now my friend. Let it go. go-fast not coming back to post tells me what I needed to know. You called me out about my selective reading? Well I'm calling you out on your selective ethics.

 

go-fast is in the clear


ip check away

you can attack the messenger all you want,it doesn't change the facts presented.the more you beat down the people that point out inconsistency in this forum the less credible your arguments seem.

 

Facts have already been stated. I'm not attempting to change them. For all we know this may already have been resolved between the OP and GTM. So what were we actually discussing? Oh yes, ethics. As in the wrong or right way to do things. And that applies to the messenger as well!

And am I am beating down Jorge on this point? Please. If he can dish it out, he can take it. I don't think he feels "beat down" in the slightest. Just expressing a point of view, which hopefully he can appreciate.

Bashing GTM as you did does not add to your credibility. You remain behind a mask of anonymity and then call out other shops. Even if you are not in the VQ market, as another shop owner, that's just unprofessional. Let the community decide who they support and who they don't. As a shop owner, if you want to express what you feel are the principles that shop owners should adhere to, I think that might actually be helpful for the community at large, but that's best left for your own thread.

 

my references are to the way other shops are held to a standard that eludes gtm.if any other shop had the track record gtm does they would be run off the board.

i speak for many (like the op) who are too intimidated to point out problems with their build for fear of retribution.i see it,i call it.you have been around long enough to know my focus is not on gtm.....it's for anyone who hurts their customer.(anonymously makes this is possible without personal attack distractions)

if that makes me the bad guy,i'll accept it as a badge of honor.