What is the purpose of name dropping other shops (who have nothing to do with this thread topic) with such a broad and speculative statement??? Do YOU have any knowledge that shops such as Intense, PFS, and Injected have had any incidents of nightmare builds, negligently bad installs, or poor fabrication on a custom build?

Asserting that all VQ shops have customers with experiences similar or comparable to Juan is as ignorant and baseless as making broad generalizations about other groups with statements such as:

• all doctors have patients with horror stories of malpractice
• every priest has molestation victims
• every restaurant has the same health code violations
• all accountants have messed a up a client's taxes so badly that it caused an audit by the IRS

I could go on with more examples, but I believe I made my point and showed the error in the logic of your statement.

So let's refrain from using speculation and unsubstantiated suspicion about other shops to deflect attention away from the only two shops involved in the thread topic... GTM and Forged.

 

i think you are missing his point... the fact that you are friends with both, and speak to both is what makes you too much PC in order to not **** off either and line up yourself in the middle so that neither gets pissed at you.

Another point you purposely miss(i know you are smart enough to have picked up on it) is that....yes, there are always some trolls that are pissed of over lil shlt like testpipes, or some stupid little thing that are overgeneralized and they make a lot of noise. But its not always that same case, there are other legitimate situations. "Blowing" an engine because of rag, failure to man up to documented failure of sleeves that are labeled "freak accidents" or 'bad product" yet its exclusive to only a particular vendor, or bastardizing the frame for fitments isn't in the same league as a stupid little thing mistake such as "they took too long to ship and i didn't get a tracking no.'. This to expand on what Rude said, which was spot on...to not separate that its a mistake and strawman generalization.

Sharif is saying he is sorry and has taken the necessary steps and actions, which is fine, but he needs to keep rehashing it, but there is no point to try to hide the bad QAQC and work that happened specially considering how a lot of people knew about it already, and future customers have to rely on his word that the issues are consitantly addressed now...time will tell what happens of this, but if he proves he has made the necessary changes, then he eventually should be fine....if things continue and more attempts to hide things are more evident then it is the old AAm v2....and i say old, because clint has also made great efforts to change things around too.

Also, it hasn't been made clear to the board yet if the customer too the car out from forged's parking lot with out notification to FP or it was something agreed to. What is clear is that its a bad move for sharif to try to silence the customer with a lawsuit.The issue is clearly between the shops, where the "other shop" has all ther right in the world to create the thread and do everything they did, even though there are other issues not said about undercutting sales, backstabbing, history of also trashing-talking products and essentially black mail, that makes it obvious the lawsuit/complaint isn't pointed to the right person, and there is a lot more behind the scenes...scoobydoo is right that is more than just about this thread, but i am sure he heard only the one sided argument only, and people calling the troll on his posts are of no surprise

 

Here are my thoughts:

Aside from Juan's original thread, all this discussion is nothing but conjecture. Most people in this thread are:

1) Here seeking some internet drama and just stoking the flames without actually contributing anything worthwhile.
2) Random posters with no history here who claim to have inside info, but are reluctanct to divulge it
3) People with chips on their shoulder who are looking to take it out on the community

To me this is all ********. People need to post legitimate info with details or **** off.

Remember this guys; this is people's livelihood's we're talking about here. People are literally relying on these businesses to put food on the table and pay the mortgage. Reputations take years to build, and can be destroyed very easily. Consider that thought before you post some uninformed, off the cuff comment.

 

Happy Birthday James!

 

lol thanks Eric. 23 today w00t w00t!!

 

FAWK... that was a long time ago for me! Wish I could be 23 again. Enjoy your twenties!

 

You gotta warn me before dropping something like that, I almost spit Dr Pepper all over my screen

 

Sorry!

 

OMFG..... You are only 23??????????? That means you were underage when I was paying for beer at the first Zdayz I went to with you guys??? Please tell me I did not pay for your beer also!!! PLEASE TELL ME!!!

 

LOL ^

 

No offense but the reality is that every customer pays damn good money for both parts and labor at either of these shops. Mishaps are simply not exceptable. You don't pay a shop to hopefully do the job right.

Routine builds should be boring because those people paid tons of money to get their car perfect. That is what FP and GTM are in business to do- put out amazing cars. Its not like you should be paying them more to do it right. So when it isn't done right it is a big deal. When it is done right... well... to be honest it just means the customer got what they payed for.

Again I don't have a preference with either shop and my friend has been at the end of the beating stick with both shops for both time and money. Ultimately FP was the one who tried to remedy this issues albeit on their time frame.

With that said, the G37 in the other thread would be a huge deal if the car had been shipped to the customer in that manner. However, since the customer took the car prior to completion that is an unfair hit against FP. You can clearly see on that G37 that the kit fit like crap.

 

Bwahaha, I had no idea he was 20 at the time. Hell, it's not like I remember much to what was going on.

 

Youse guise in troble CTTDOAM

 

I don't remember too much of the first ZdayZ I went to

 

What did you drink?

 

sum dat louisiana purple <---greg

 

yea buddy...

 

^ I like this post. Building cars is a partnership between car owner and shop owner. When the partnership breaks down, really bad things happen. Building any car is serious business/$$ but also an enjoyable hobby for those who can control [enjoy] the chaos during a build. From the pictures its clear that those pieces don't fit together. They depict total failure of communication and pre-engineering on multiple levels but I'm not sure you can look at those pictures and not place blame on GTM, FP and the OWNER OF THE CAR. It was a brand new product with new R&D - They all had to work together for the project to work. They ALL had a stake in the success of the project. Modifying a car has NO written warranty and the enjoyment is simply overcoming all the obstacles before the team and building a new project. Just look at Mike and you will understand what I am typing.

Building a car is a team effort, the risk is not for everyone and the builds that go bad typically go that way because the customer expectation far outpaces the business' ability to perform to those expectations.

I've built two cars with two different shops. Sharif is by far the easiest to deal with on the project items that are under his DIRECT control. The pictures tell the whole story for anyone willing to look at them and also have the history and knowledge of what it takes to build these cars.

Looking at those pictures and knowing how Forged works after three years of them wrenching on my car (good wrenches and bad wrenches), its just inconceivable to me how GTM did not know the kit had major fitment problems on the G37 BEFORE it was shipped back. Those pictures almost look like the kit was still in R&D stage and for the customer not to know that, shame on him. I know this why, because the pictures tell the story for the forged customers that have built there cars with Sharif as partnership accepting the risk and rewards together as a team.

Its clear to me - others seem to be stuggling with it though.

 

I'm sorry but now I have to speak up. Sharif's character CAN be very much questioned.

1. Not being able to be faithful to one's spouse (repeatedly), which requires the lying and deceiving of the one a person is supposed to love more than anything in the world, gives the clearest indication of Sharif's flawed character:

http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37443

2. Threatening a frivolous law suit to suppress true information about one's own negligence, gives another clear indication of Sharif's flawed character.

3. Bullying and harassing at least 3 other shops my350z (not including GTM) for claims of wrongdoing with less supporting facts than in the original myg37.com thread about this incident, shows further flaws of Sharif's character.

Sharif may have made good on some of his mistakes, but come on, we have all heard of bad stories from customers that gave business to not only Forged but also GTM. I honestly couldn't understand how an incident such as the one in question here, could truly shock or surprise anyone that has been in the community for any decent amount of time.

 

Out the woodworks....... WTF...... You are like the 5th random dude on here..... You matter.....


IF YOU ARE NOT A REGULAR AND DONT HAVE FI STAY THE **** OUT!!