Forged Performance - My Story
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Well, lets see.....explain again how other shops have posted on here saying they have had no issues with GTM kits. Explain how Modme installed his own kit on his G37 in his garage on jack stands....he has very detailed pictures every step of the way. Sorry, I don't see your sticking their neck out point at all.
As far as the Credit Card dispute goes, you need to re-read the post, and you are incorrect on the rules. The dispute was for having the wrong product on the car, and for the damage done as a result of the installation, which was also paid for with the card. They do allow (at least HSBC does) this to be disputed. They didn't rule in my favor because I didn't let Sharif fix the car.....again....read the post as to why they did this and what he told them in his letter (which I have a copy of). Also, they have their own rules about this stuff, and this was not the normal dispute they are use to dealing with, so they dropped the ball in my opinion...again...read the post. Fortunately, there are no such rules as to having to allow Forged to fix my car when it comes to the suit, at least not in Georgia.
Glad you think I could have handled it better.....I really doubt you took the time to actually read the whole post....I tried to get things resolved starting 2 months before I picked up the car...up through while I was at the shop.....even on my drive home. What should I have to do???? I also contacted Sharif long before lawyers were involved.....that got me no where.
As far as the Credit Card dispute goes, you need to re-read the post, and you are incorrect on the rules. The dispute was for having the wrong product on the car, and for the damage done as a result of the installation, which was also paid for with the card. They do allow (at least HSBC does) this to be disputed. They didn't rule in my favor because I didn't let Sharif fix the car.....again....read the post as to why they did this and what he told them in his letter (which I have a copy of). Also, they have their own rules about this stuff, and this was not the normal dispute they are use to dealing with, so they dropped the ball in my opinion...again...read the post. Fortunately, there are no such rules as to having to allow Forged to fix my car when it comes to the suit, at least not in Georgia.
Glad you think I could have handled it better.....I really doubt you took the time to actually read the whole post....I tried to get things resolved starting 2 months before I picked up the car...up through while I was at the shop.....even on my drive home. What should I have to do???? I also contacted Sharif long before lawyers were involved.....that got me no where.
You are telling me, a business owner, who see's and deals with chargebacks how it works? I know you are upset about this but read your post and the fact is that you filed a chargeback that you would have never won (unless it was not responded to or incorrectly responded to). the fact remains that you had product still on your car therefore you werent going to win it. Thats like buying something from BestBuy, it doesn't work, so instead of returning it you file a chargeback but still have the merchandise.
Lets go with the wrong product. So you purchased a 42" TV at bestbuy. You open the box to find a 40" TV in the box. You STILL have to return the product and THEN you "could" win the chargeback as long as the item was returned in the same conditioned as received.
Again, I know your upset but please, I will call you out on ANYTHING you are wrong on.
As far as GTM's kit, do a damn search in the forum! If I have to guess why some kits fit and others don't, it would have to be their manufacturing process. It's probably an "in house" manufacturing process. Want an example, K, You hear many kits not fitting, how ofter do you hear that about Greddy kits? Oh, lol, rarely because the manufacturing of the kit is different.
I am by no means saying Forged didn't mess up. I was making an opinion based on information I have seen and being a business owner myself. You can't honestly not argue the possibility of my opinion being the truth can you? If so then you are blinded by anger which would explain why you made this post. No attorney (none that I know) would ever allow you to post this while you have a pending lawsuit. If you didn't check with your attorney prior to posting this, you have probably screwed yourself because why? You were blinded by anger.
I have not taken a side on this but you attacked me based on what was "my opinion" as stated 20 times throughout my post. This is an indication that you are blinded by anger and that will be downfall in your case.
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You are telling me, a business owner, who see's and deals with chargebacks how it works? I know you are upset about this but read your post and the fact is that you filed a chargeback that you would have never won (unless it was not responded to or incorrectly responded to). the fact remains that you had product still on your car therefore you werent going to win it. Thats like buying something from BestBuy, it doesn't work, so instead of returning it you file a chargeback but still have the merchandise.
Lets go with the wrong product. So you purchased a 42" TV at bestbuy. You open the box to find a 40" TV in the box. You STILL have to return the product and THEN you "could" win the chargeback as long as the item was returned in the same conditioned as received.
Again, I know your upset but please, I will call you out on ANYTHING you are wrong on.
As far as GTM's kit, do a damn search in the forum! If I have to guess why some kits fit and others don't, it would have to be their manufacturing process. It's probably an "in house" manufacturing process. Want an example, K, You hear many kits not fitting, how ofter do you hear that about Greddy kits? Oh, lol, rarely because the manufacturing of the kit is different.
I am by no means saying Forged didn't mess up. I was making an opinion based on information I have seen and being a business owner myself. You can't honestly not argue the possibility of my opinion being the truth can you? If so then you are blinded by anger which would explain why you made this post. No attorney (none that I know) would ever allow you to post this while you have a pending lawsuit. If you didn't check with your attorney prior to posting this, you have probably screwed yourself because why? You were blinded by anger.
I have not taken a side on this but you attacked me based on what was "my opinion" as stated 20 times throughout my post. This is an indication that you are blinded by anger and that will be downfall in your case.
Lets go with the wrong product. So you purchased a 42" TV at bestbuy. You open the box to find a 40" TV in the box. You STILL have to return the product and THEN you "could" win the chargeback as long as the item was returned in the same conditioned as received.
Again, I know your upset but please, I will call you out on ANYTHING you are wrong on.
As far as GTM's kit, do a damn search in the forum! If I have to guess why some kits fit and others don't, it would have to be their manufacturing process. It's probably an "in house" manufacturing process. Want an example, K, You hear many kits not fitting, how ofter do you hear that about Greddy kits? Oh, lol, rarely because the manufacturing of the kit is different.
I am by no means saying Forged didn't mess up. I was making an opinion based on information I have seen and being a business owner myself. You can't honestly not argue the possibility of my opinion being the truth can you? If so then you are blinded by anger which would explain why you made this post. No attorney (none that I know) would ever allow you to post this while you have a pending lawsuit. If you didn't check with your attorney prior to posting this, you have probably screwed yourself because why? You were blinded by anger.
I have not taken a side on this but you attacked me based on what was "my opinion" as stated 20 times throughout my post. This is an indication that you are blinded by anger and that will be downfall in your case.
The only one who is angry...obviously is you.....but like a few others, you are making claims that you are NOT correct on. Unless HSBC flat out lied when they told me to dispute it, then they do allow that. I had a very long conversation with them before actually filling it, and they actually encouraged me to do so.......
And no, your analogy is no where near correct....I don't have to take the car back to win a dispute. I explained why they said no, and why they did it (according to them) in the original post.
I didn't state anything that wasn't already posted....but I guess it is your anger that isn't allowing you to see that. Nobody is screwed here......and it doesn't really matter what you own....
The only one who is angry...obviously is you.....but like a few others, you are making claims that you are NOT correct on. Unless HSBC flat out lied when they told me to dispute it, then they do allow that. I had a very long conversation with them before actually filling it, and they actually encouraged me to do so.......
And no, your analogy is no where near correct....I don't have to take the car back to win a dispute. I explained why they said no, and why they did it (according to them) in the original post.
I didn't state anything that wasn't already posted....but I guess it is your anger that isn't allowing you to see that. Nobody is screwed here......and it doesn't really matter what you own....
And no, your analogy is no where near correct....I don't have to take the car back to win a dispute. I explained why they said no, and why they did it (according to them) in the original post.
I didn't state anything that wasn't already posted....but I guess it is your anger that isn't allowing you to see that. Nobody is screwed here......and it doesn't really matter what you own....
Why would I be angry? USBC told you to dispute it and you didn't win. I said you wouldn't win and you didn't.
We do over 2 million in credit card transaction every year. Believe me, I know what I am talking about when it comes to disputes.
It really doesn't matter. I am just shocked you thought coming down on me for my opinion would make a difference.
You have said the exact thing my lawyer said.....this is why I am hinting to the OP to sit back and let the shops (GTM/FP) take of it. It's not that I am siding with FP.... I have made my point clear....but in the court if law the judge will not care what he thinks FP did... They will look more at what's presented. Been there done that .
Eric.... The Recon Unit is not letting Sharif off the hook on this one....by no means.I have been very hard on him off line... And I say off line because I want to limit what I say on here because I am too busy to be dragged in to court as a witness over something like this... Because I am telling you if I am.... It will cost whoever calls me in!!!! So leave me out!!
I have said it many times... The customer was wronged. There is talk of fraud .... You have people on both sides of the fence on that one. If a used was sold as new... Then you have a case....but you sit both those turbos in front if a judge and he will not know the difference . Even I who will know more than the judge when all is said is left scratching my head. To prove fraud in a case like this ... You will need more than this. As far as charges....if one shop charges 5k and another charges 10k for the same job... Can this be considered fraud in court... Not a chance.
In the court of My350z it would be easier to find him guilty... But that's not where court will be held.Should Sharif have made a mistake like this ? Hell no! Was it a mistake? That's for the courts to decide. If this was discover a few years later if one of the turbos failed... FP would still have to change it out for free....
All we can do is watch to see if they clean up... The eyes are on not only FP.... But on all shops that would do this kind of subpar work.
So rest assure that the Recon Unit is not letting Sharif off the hook... We hold him to a higher standard...so I will wait until this is all settled before saying what's really on my mind.
Go-fast knows what he is talking about... Let's leave it at that.
Yes you have the law on your side... But so does Sharif. But in this case there will be two losers.I am trying to in so many words to slide you some free advise... I have been where you are at now.... Not with FP though....but I have been where you are at. Key word "Reasonable Doubt"....
It's not like this is a murder case where you get your lawyer for free... A District Attorney! And from what I know you are not a lawyer either... Neither am I ... But I have a few that work for me....So take it to court... You may get lucky... But in the end only the lawyers win.I won my case against a large tire store.... But I spent over 150k to get what??
You have done well for this community by posting this... It I think in the end will save others from going through this.... I wish you the best of luck..
Eric.... The Recon Unit is not letting Sharif off the hook on this one....by no means.I have been very hard on him off line... And I say off line because I want to limit what I say on here because I am too busy to be dragged in to court as a witness over something like this... Because I am telling you if I am.... It will cost whoever calls me in!!!! So leave me out!!
I have said it many times... The customer was wronged. There is talk of fraud .... You have people on both sides of the fence on that one. If a used was sold as new... Then you have a case....but you sit both those turbos in front if a judge and he will not know the difference . Even I who will know more than the judge when all is said is left scratching my head. To prove fraud in a case like this ... You will need more than this. As far as charges....if one shop charges 5k and another charges 10k for the same job... Can this be considered fraud in court... Not a chance.
In the court of My350z it would be easier to find him guilty... But that's not where court will be held.Should Sharif have made a mistake like this ? Hell no! Was it a mistake? That's for the courts to decide. If this was discover a few years later if one of the turbos failed... FP would still have to change it out for free....
All we can do is watch to see if they clean up... The eyes are on not only FP.... But on all shops that would do this kind of subpar work.
So rest assure that the Recon Unit is not letting Sharif off the hook... We hold him to a higher standard...so I will wait until this is all settled before saying what's really on my mind.
Go-fast knows what he is talking about... Let's leave it at that.
Yes you have the law on your side... But so does Sharif. But in this case there will be two losers.I am trying to in so many words to slide you some free advise... I have been where you are at now.... Not with FP though....but I have been where you are at. Key word "Reasonable Doubt"....
It's not like this is a murder case where you get your lawyer for free... A District Attorney! And from what I know you are not a lawyer either... Neither am I ... But I have a few that work for me....So take it to court... You may get lucky... But in the end only the lawyers win.I won my case against a large tire store.... But I spent over 150k to get what??
You have done well for this community by posting this... It I think in the end will save others from going through this.... I wish you the best of luck..
So Mike... while you're trying to resolve the mess of this particular incident as an insider and a friend... I am approaching this from the perspective of an outside observer who is a cop and trained investigator, as I always have on this forum when there have been issues/allegations of customers getting screwed or deceived. I am telling you as a friend to take the blinders off. There is more shady crap out there that you are apparently unaware of that has not broken public due to the reluctance of victims over the years to challenge the overwhelming clout and strong support Forged has enjoyed on the forums. With the info I'm receiving... it's starting to look like VRT/RA/SGP/JT all over again.
P.S. The fact that Sharif refused to put the car up on the lift for Doug... speaks volumes about Sharif's intent and guilt.
Last edited by RudeG_v2.0; Apr 20, 2010 at 07:51 AM.
This is only gonna get way worse, especially if what Rude is sayin is fact.
The whole thing is a disgrace, and the quality of work on those builds my 15 year old brother could have done. But the fact that the customer called numerous times and was told the turbos were right, and in fact were not. That to me is the most damning of all of it, that says to me it was malicous. And than not letting a customer look under the project they spent 20k on, come on.
Alot of this really smells like S**t.
The whole thing is a disgrace, and the quality of work on those builds my 15 year old brother could have done. But the fact that the customer called numerous times and was told the turbos were right, and in fact were not. That to me is the most damning of all of it, that says to me it was malicous. And than not letting a customer look under the project they spent 20k on, come on.
Alot of this really smells like S**t.
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Why would I be angry? USBC told you to dispute it and you didn't win. I said you wouldn't win and you didn't.
We do over 2 million in credit card transaction every year. Believe me, I know what I am talking about when it comes to disputes.
It really doesn't matter. I am just shocked you thought coming down on me for my opinion would make a difference.
We do over 2 million in credit card transaction every year. Believe me, I know what I am talking about when it comes to disputes.
It really doesn't matter. I am just shocked you thought coming down on me for my opinion would make a difference.
Having said that, I do find it odd though that you seem to take pride or something for predicting an outcome (that had already happened even) based on the wrong reasons.
Make a difference? I just don't want others reading misleading information...it has nothing to do with you. I can see where my post came off as an attack, and I do apologize for that, as that is not what I'm about. I have spent 4 days reading a lot of things that are not correct....assumptions...not reading the post, etc, etc....and it can be frustrating...again....I apologize for coming off the way I did.
Having said that, I do find it odd though that you seem to take pride or something for predicting an outcome (that had already happened even) based on the wrong reasons.
Having said that, I do find it odd though that you seem to take pride or something for predicting an outcome (that had already happened even) based on the wrong reasons.
Look, the reason for my post was because I compared what I know about Froged Performance (including Sharif), what I know about GTM, what I have read about GTM and what I know about business. Armed with this information I felt I needed to voice my opinion on "how" and "why" this could have happened and point out all the angles that lead me to this conclusion.
Knowing business as well as I do, I would bet big money that my opinion on this is correct. Unfortunately we will probably never know thus I would not make any money :-(
All-in-all, I hope this gets resolved. You spend hard earned money on this project and it's sad to see it went down this road.
I know you are so pissed off at Forged, which you have every right to be, but just [I]concider[I] the possibility of my opinion being right. Would it make it better? No. Would it change the fact that Forged did mess up? No. It would however give you a better understanding of why it went down the way it did. Again, not that it would change anything but at least it could answer the question "how could this have happened".
Recon Unit rule 5 section 3 states.... "all members of the Recon Unit MUST share all vital info with all members in good standing"..... That being said.... I would like to know why all this was not shared with me!!!!
remember ... I feel customer always come firs no matter what!!! Friendship or not!!!
remember ... I feel customer always come firs no matter what!!! Friendship or not!!!
I'm sorry, but it's up to those people whether they want to post publicly or approach you directly.
Wow. finally caught up.. This is UNACCEPTABLE.. Who is the mechanic so we know who he is so he doesnt try to go to another shop and F**K another persons car up.?
And WTF are some of you saying by "these things happen"? If im spending my money that s**t better be DAMN perfect. I dont care if its a plenum spacer install or a full out build. My hard earned money needs/wants/demands perfection. I dont blame the owner at all for not wanting to take his car back. I wouldn't. I had a 300zxTT that got ****ed by a shop, so this burns for me.
And WTF are some of you saying by "these things happen"? If im spending my money that s**t better be DAMN perfect. I dont care if its a plenum spacer install or a full out build. My hard earned money needs/wants/demands perfection. I dont blame the owner at all for not wanting to take his car back. I wouldn't. I had a 300zxTT that got ****ed by a shop, so this burns for me.
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I do not wish to betray the confidence and identities of the people who shared info with me. I am truly sorry if they did not feel comfortable sharing this info with you. However, I can understand their reluctance to do so, given your close affiliation with Forged and Sharif.
I'm sorry, but it's up to those people whether they want to post publicly or approach you directly.
I'm sorry, but it's up to those people whether they want to post publicly or approach you directly.
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No one will know how you feel until they are out 20k and 7 months a brand new car. Read all 14 pages wrote up what i thought and erased it. Dont want to jump into all this so best i can do is apologize, horrible experience.
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I agree ... More info over here
I don't think this has been here but it was in the 370Z forum, looks like people are starting to boil over
Originally Posted by brooke
I'am going to throw my 2 cent in since I have not been on here in a few years. After selling my 04 white 350z to a friend with a new rebuilt motor Mr Shairif the smooth talker he is completley screwed these people after they somehow broke the turbo charged them 15k for a new short block, the a/f was not even calibrated and it looked like a 2 year old worked on the car. Since the car has been sitting with problems with sharif not wanting to make it right. These people paid to have the car picked up in Gulf Shores Alabama and dropped off *** well. The delivery man somehow broke the stillen front bumper and sharif said they would cover it but never did. There were alot of other issues as well but to say the least Sharif really screwed these people since they knew nothing about forced induction cars.... I'm knew it was only a matter on time before his @ss would be caught screwing people over like he has in the past and I'm sure there are more but would rather not take the time togo through all of the trouble and bs of being flamed on here since most think he is a saint. Sharif you know who I am and maybe a few others that remember me back in the day... I hope you go back to selling used cars because either way it's all about screwing people to you my little bald friend.....
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