It's the same thread just on the local site.

 

Thats probably about the same time frame of this build isn't it? Just have a bad streak of luck?

 

it's possible i suppose. we had a tech at the time who was good at most things, but made mistakes that we had to go behind and fix. it happens, every business has to deal with technicians and learning curves. i can't put every car together every time, i have to be able to trust other people to be able to do the work as well. but, yes, mistakes were made in the past that GOT fixed. but people don't let grudges go, i guess.

no shop.. performance or otherwise, is going to have a 100% perfect track record. it's inevitable. it sucks. i wish it were possible, but even i can't possibly make every person on this planet happy. it's the resolution that makes the difference. these were resolved, but someone i guess feels the need to rehash it.

 

Unfortunatly every tech behind the keyboard knows how to build/repair cars thanks to forums.Or at least they read about it so now they are qaulified.I have seen numerous failures like this with oem parts at oem build levels.Once you subject it to greater forces,the weakest link will show it's face.If it wasn't effected by greater force as mentioned then why do you need better head studs,or valve springs,as examples.Until each person here has done this work by themselves,how can you argue a qaulified tech's defense.

 

I don't know who you are but I'd like to buy you a beer.

 

OMG, me too! lol

That post was made possible by "Normal Brain Activity".

Maybe when an outsider says it people will believe it.

 

I think its hilarious that in these S&R threads, S&R only jumps in to add to or thank someone saying something remotely positive towards S&R, and then of course "Polly" always follows

 

I praise people for making intelligent statements...... It's a rare find around here.

Have I told you how smart you are? No? I wonder why?

Call me polly but you seem to use someone else's wording instead of your own.. Who's polly now?

Do be mad because someone else can see the obvious before you....

 

I reply to legit questions and conversation. I was going to reply before but Taylor chimed in and did a great job in replying. I'm not going to dignify ignorance or waste time arguing with people. It has nothing to do with someone saying something positive, it's something logical and sensible.

I have no idea who you are but you're clearly out to just mess with us. I saw you post in the GM car thread with "how are you cams" like a smart ***. You have shown no sign at all of being able to contribute intelligent argument or discussion on anything that you have said. You're clearly someone with an agenda so I'll leave you to play with your little stick on your own.

 

You have yet to try my suggestion. Here it is again. Maybe this will help you understand.

 

i understand that emotions can run rampant in threads such as these, but let's at least TRY and keep it on topic..? long drops with short stops arent exactly what's needed right now and will only lead to more drivel.

this is a valid thread and let's hope something positive will come of it.

 

 

I've never seen a cam broken like this in any engine I've torn down. What seems to be more common is broken intake cam sprocket dowels. Either the dowel itself will break, or the dowel bore in the cam or the sprocket itself will end up egg-shaped. Either way it sounds like crappy materials.

 

I have no idea who any of the people at S&R are.And am not trying to make excuses for them.However I make my observation and comments based on me being a certified tech,and dealing with customers on a daily basis.My favorite return question to a person who seems to know everything is"what do you do for a living?" You don't see us going on a McDonalds forum and telling you how to put salt on fries.Unless you do this for a living or can actually do it for yourself,don't make accusations on what was or wasn't done properly.

 

I have nothing against you, i feel like you have taken a good approach with all this, but S&R on the otherhand.

With rude responses and a know it all attitude from the beginning, like telling people with high hp cars they didn't know what wheel spin on a dyno looked like Then when they found out they were wrong deleted the entire thread. Lies, like the first time leaving out the L19s were accused they said
Wording things to sound like they installed L19s in the first place


When i feel like a shop has done something wrong yea im out to reveal a little truth and will give them a hard time, just ask Forged

 

I haven't been rude once, I've simply stated what I knew and what was happening. If it's come across that way, I do apologize, that's very far from the person that I am.

When we were on the dyno, the tuner (one of the better known turners out there) said "it's spinning on the dyno and not reading" I take it for what it is. It's what he does and there were signs pointing to the same thing.

This car and motor were built before I was with S&R. When I asked "are their L19's?" I was told yes, and so that's what I posted. I don't know what might have been in there before.


We haven't done anything wrong. You seem to think that we have but truth me told, we have 0 to gain from the drama and BS. The group set out to build a car, the car runs strong, made great power and is doing what it was built for. It's pretty open and shut. I really don't get why you have this grudge against us.

I can see you clearly take issue with Colin and you're entitled too, no reason for us to be pulled into the same.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing the cam once it's out of the car. From what I hear, it was pulled today. I'm sure the pics will surface and we can all evaluate the situation and work together to find the cause.

 

Definately have a problem with me. Not S&R. While I will defend them, I do not speak for them.

I have been around since the beginning of the build this thread is talking about. Since we did have S&R build our car, which creates power most have no experience in, there were issues through the process.

The issues we ran in to were all part of building a high horsepower car. You will eventually find your weak links. For us, we had fuel issues and cam phasers.

Did I get upset about this? Did I blame the shop for shotty job? Nope. I understand that by making massive amounts of power would cause parts designed to operate at a much lower power level may fail.

It's not rocket science.

As for the wheel slip. We did have wheel slip. Was it as much as the graph goes? Probably not. The only other time there was an issue with vibrations and noise was when we hit 803RWHP but the computer crashed. Three times to be exact. So to think it was the vibrations again when the computer did not crash, over the coarse of 5 or more pulls, plus we knew we were getting slip especially when the *** end goes sideways on the dyno, we thought the graph represented the tire slip.

As for S&R deleting the thread. They came in a publically admitted they were wrong about what the graph was showing. They appologized it but never the less, it does not change what the car put down. Actually, the dyno rep said based on his experience and looking at that graph, the car may have pulled near 1,200hp. The reason the thread was deleted is because nothing was being accomplished and it was getting out of hand.

I did post up the video of the dyno pull and you can find it under the shop builds section so you can see our reactions thinking it slipped again and did't hit 1,000hp, then to see that it did.

At any rate, calling a shop sketchy or whatever without knowing the full story behind the company or the build, is wrong. Especially with a situation where a "stock" part fails, after 2 years of running more than 2 times the stock power level.

 

So basically some of you people on here think that every part is perfect? Parts have defects, and some may never rear their ugly head at stock power levels. But boosted if as imperfection or weak point exists it will show itself.

Durdan you don't have to explain yourself here the internet mechanics know all, the fact that you have gone this far into it on the forum says enough. Also this is exactly why this community is weak and not tightly knit like Honda, Subaru, and even the Evo community. Everybody when they get the slightest chance Sh*ts on everything and everyone that they are not affliliated with.

How about instead of constantly starting drama with each other we work together and help each other out and make the Z/G community strong?

 

^^ +1.... like I said... looks like a common failure among lots of different builds, why not put 1+1 together instead of slinging **** and figure out why? Not saying it's not build related (over tq, ect...).