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Old Apr 6, 2011 | 08:56 AM
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Old Apr 6, 2011 | 09:08 AM
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i edit for spelling, mostly(my mind goes faster than my fingers lol). or to add to a post that doesnt require two separate posts.
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Originally Posted by Jasonvs2146
Im not here to debate of even talk about how this cam broke.

I have to laugh at the stupidity of this situation. Its funny no one pointed a finger yet everyone's crying. If everyone would have calmed down and not blown it out of proportion this wouldnt be happenening. Grow up people stop calling my phone and texting me 1000 times. I have a career where I cant play around on the intrawebnetz playing Uber l33t CyberSmartGuy with Gamermodz, I'd suggest to him he stays out of my thread and business since if he would have shut up a alot of this crazy posting wouldnt have happened. Congrats S&R what a flagship car you got there, too bad the driver is IGNORANT.Guess if he was such a smart guy he wouldnt drive street tires at a track with well over 600whp... Nice what 12.8.....
Jay, because your cam broke and you felt the need to insinuate that it was S&R's fault, I felt the need to point out there could be many other reasons this happened. I understand you may be frustrated with other aspects of our dealings with S&R but that doesn't mean that anything that happens with your car would be S&R's fault.

How are you going to call me "ignorant". You built your car with used parts, things didn't go flawlessly and you are surprised? That my friend, is ignorance.

I went out to the track on street tires because I have had to go through so many different rims to fit over the Greddy brakes that NOW I only have one set which have street tires on it. To add even more to that, I DON'T RACE 1/4 MILES!!!!!! I went out there because everyone wanted to see it. Your ignorance and inability to read has made you assume I went out to the 1/4 mile to race a car NOT MEANT FOR A 1/4 MILE. If I had planned on ever putting in on a drag strip I would have upgrade the drive shafts so that I could run tires with a lot of grip among other many other things. Do you understand about building cars for a purpose?

Don't start talking **** about me for pointing out it may not be S&R's fault your "STOCK" cam took a crap on a fully built motor.

I have been friendly to you since day one and even Bobby asked me if it was ok to give you my stock cams so you could fix your damn car and guess what I said “Sure, he can have them”. So if Bobby gave you stock set of HR cams, it’s a good chance they were mine. I am not asking for a thank you either and is not the reason I brought it up. I was under the impression you weren’t a douche at the time he asked me.

Stop and think before you start talking **** about someone. You seem to have thought I was coming down on you when I wasn’t. I was simply trying to help people understand that despite what you were trying to “imply” with these threads, there were other reasons it could have failed.

Take your bargain shopped, “dollar store” build and go blow it up again. At least this time you will have no one to blame for things failing except yourself/winmotorspots or whatever you guys want to call yourself. Tip: Don’t forget to tighten the bolts on your drive shaft!
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Originally Posted by GAMERMODZoCOM
Take your bargain shopped, “dollar store” build and go blow it up again. At least this time you will have no one to blame for things failing except yourself/winmotorspots or whatever you guys want to call yourself. Tip: Don’t forget to tighten the bolts on your drive shaft!
Wow your full of yourself...

You do realize that your car has likely had more failures/downtime than his "dollar store" build

EDIT: And might i add that the "dollar store" build is still faster than you

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Wow your full of yourself...

You do realize that your car has likely had more failures/downtime than his "dollar store" build
A seperate motor was built for my car there for it was on the road till the new motor, with everything on it was ready to drop in was ready.

Since more than just the motor was being put in, it was down for a month and a half, then another month and half in december.

Total = 3 months from start to finish of car "downtime".

I forgot, people in Alabama would know how much downtime two cars from Tampa Florida had...... My mistake.
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Coffee much ? Your posts would make a harry potter book look short.



Originally Posted by GAMERMODZoCOM
Jay, because your cam broke and you felt the need to insinuate that it was S&R's fault, I felt the need to point out there could be many other reasons this happened. I understand you may be frustrated with other aspects of our dealings with S&R but that doesn't mean that anything that happens with your car would be S&R's fault.

How are you going to call me "ignorant". You built your car with used parts, things didn't go flawlessly and you are surprised? That my friend, is ignorance.

I went out to the track on street tires because I have had to go through so many different rims to fit over the Greddy brakes that NOW I only have one set which have street tires on it. To add even more to that, I DON'T RACE 1/4 MILES!!!!!! I went out there because everyone wanted to see it. Your ignorance and inability to read has made you assume I went out to the 1/4 mile to race a car NOT MEANT FOR A 1/4 MILE. If I had planned on ever putting in on a drag strip I would have upgrade the drive shafts so that I could run tires with a lot of grip among other many other things. Do you understand about building cars for a purpose?

Don't start talking **** about me for pointing out it may not be S&R's fault your "STOCK" cam took a crap on a fully built motor.

I have been friendly to you since day one and even Bobby asked me if it was ok to give you my stock cams so you could fix your damn car and guess what I said “Sure, he can have them”. So if Bobby gave you stock set of HR cams, it’s a good chance they were mine. I am not asking for a thank you either and is not the reason I brought it up. I was under the impression you weren’t a douche at the time he asked me.

Stop and think before you start talking **** about someone. You seem to have thought I was coming down on you when I wasn’t. I was simply trying to help people understand that despite what you were trying to “imply” with these threads, there were other reasons it could have failed.

Take your bargain shopped, “dollar store” build and go blow it up again. At least this time you will have no one to blame for things failing except yourself/winmotorspots or whatever you guys want to call yourself. Tip: Don’t forget to tighten the bolts on your drive shaft!
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Originally Posted by rh_334
EDIT: And might i add that the "dollar store" build is still faster than you
Based on the first time it ran a 1/4, on street tires, with a driver that has little to no experience on a drag strip? Sure, now if it was on tires with better grip and driven by someone that drivers the 1/4, it's completely different. Do you disagree?

I also think the term "is" is wrong too.
Old Apr 6, 2011 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GAMERMODZoCOM
Jay, because your cam broke and you felt the need to insinuate that it was S&R's fault, I felt the need to point out there could be many other reasons this happened. I understand you may be frustrated with other aspects of our dealings with S&R but that doesn't mean that anything that happens with your car would be S&R's fault.

How are you going to call me "ignorant". You built your car with used parts, things didn't go flawlessly and you are surprised? That my friend, is ignorance.

I went out to the track on street tires because I have had to go through so many different rims to fit over the Greddy brakes that NOW I only have one set which have street tires on it. To add even more to that, I DON'T RACE 1/4 MILES!!!!!! I went out there because everyone wanted to see it. Your ignorance and inability to read has made you assume I went out to the 1/4 mile to race a car NOT MEANT FOR A 1/4 MILE. If I had planned on ever putting in on a drag strip I would have upgrade the drive shafts so that I could run tires with a lot of grip among other many other things. Do you understand about building cars for a purpose?

Don't start talking **** about me for pointing out it may not be S&R's fault your "STOCK" cam took a crap on a fully built motor.

I have been friendly to you since day one and even Bobby asked me if it was ok to give you my stock cams so you could fix your damn car and guess what I said “Sure, he can have them”. So if Bobby gave you stock set of HR cams, it’s a good chance they were mine. I am not asking for a thank you either and is not the reason I brought it up. I was under the impression you weren’t a douche at the time he asked me.

Stop and think before you start talking **** about someone. You seem to have thought I was coming down on you when I wasn’t. I was simply trying to help people understand that despite what you were trying to “imply” with these threads, there were other reasons it could have failed.

Take your bargain shopped, “dollar store” build and go blow it up again. At least this time you will have no one to blame for things failing except yourself/winmotorspots or whatever you guys want to call yourself. Tip: Don’t forget to tighten the bolts on your drive shaft!
first of all cool story bro..

second of all i havent really said anythign to you. but you are a moron.
Read the thread.. No one was blaming S and R . this was a broken cam thread. Everyone is at peace and is not saying anything but you trailing in to add your bs.

Ok I've kept my mouth shut this entire time. I never blamed one person for this "cam" issue. Yet somehow my phone has not stopped in 2 days. Enough is enough.

Im not here to debate of even talk about how this cam broke.

I am now though very confused. I was told by Bobby and Durdan that my motor was built by engine lab. Including assembly and timing because they had not bored the top of the cylinder properly so the motor and heads ETC were dropped off and assembled there. So now I read all these post about my "Taylor Built" motor. Im am beyond confused. I actually had this conversation a week or so back with Bobby when this cam broke. So which is it?

Taylor I did not blame this cam on you, but since everyone wants to take shots at us we can go ahead and go into detail.

Everything Jim has said happened to my Z is true.

In the Beginning I had my kit installed there. Mike did an amazing job at the install I had no complaints. Then the motor blew. I still blame the "tune" especially after the new tuner shows me a graph that shows me hitting 16.1afr at 4800rpms for a split second. Well guess what split seconds blow motors, but moving on. I will admit Bobby helped me tremendously in towing the car and all. After 11 months of problems getting parts and all sorts of things the motor was finally back in. First day driving it blew an oil line off my relocation kit while driving causing 0 oil pressure. That happened because a tech other than Taylor and Mike did not properly clamp the hose. Again Bobby took and had hoses made at no cost and back on the road it goes. Upon finally breaking in the motor we came to realization that the Wastegates were not properly functioning(due to the rod rubbing the turbo on one side). I also had a tremendous boost leak. It was found I was missing over 4 transmission bolts, transmission service cover(still missing), 2 downpipe bolts(Still missing), Sway bar bolt, Zip ties holding the bumper, Stripped radiator bolts, No water cooling lines for the turbo, T-bolt clamps had been replaced with standard crap clamps in several locations. i don't care to continue you get the damn point. Not to mention the dent in my rear hatch thats still there... I never once posted about these thing cause Bobby and Taylor did take the car back in and at no cost fixed "Most" of the problems. I have since fried and ECU because for some reason the 02 Sensor wire was not secured properly melted and fried my ECU again Bobby took care of it with a free ECU and use of his vehicle and trailer. Maybe now you people will realize this is not a personal attack I have never once said Bobby has not helped me out. On a personal level Bobby is a good guy and so is Jeff. Unfortunately the staff changes didnt remove the person that made these mistakes from the picture.

I have to laugh at the stupidity of this situation. Its funny no one pointed a finger yet everyone's crying. If everyone would have calmed down and not blown it out of proportion this wouldnt be happenening. Grow up people stop calling my phone and texting me 1000 times. I have a career where I cant play around on the intrawebnetz playing Uber l33t CyberSmartGuy with Gamermodz, I'd suggest to him he stays out of my thread and business since if he would have shut up a alot of this crazy posting wouldnt have happened. Congrats S&R what a flagship car you got there, too bad the driver is IGNORANT.Guess if he was such a smart guy he wouldnt drive street tires at a track with well over 600whp... Nice what 12.8.....

Funny I remember when my car was suppose to be "The Car". Its just really entertaining how as soon as the car started to have problems due to the "workmanship" my car became hush hush and Gamermodz became "The man".

Im done. BTW No Problem guys thanks for the PM I removed your logo from my Sig.

Good Luck with your future cars.
Not one word blaming S and R. Seems like your the only thing here negative from S and R.
Old Apr 6, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by GAMERMODZoCOM
Jay, because your cam broke and you felt the need to insinuate that it was S&R's fault, I felt the need to point out there could be many other reasons this happened. I understand you may be frustrated with other aspects of our dealings with S&R but that doesn't mean that anything that happens with your car would be S&R's fault.

How are you going to call me "ignorant". You built your car with used parts, things didn't go flawlessly and you are surprised? That my friend, is ignorance.

I went out to the track on street tires because I have had to go through so many different rims to fit over the Greddy brakes that NOW I only have one set which have street tires on it. To add even more to that, I DON'T RACE 1/4 MILES!!!!!! I went out there because everyone wanted to see it. Your ignorance and inability to read has made you assume I went out to the 1/4 mile to race a car NOT MEANT FOR A 1/4 MILE. If I had planned on ever putting in on a drag strip I would have upgrade the drive shafts so that I could run tires with a lot of grip among other many other things. Do you understand about building cars for a purpose?

Don't start talking **** about me for pointing out it may not be S&R's fault your "STOCK" cam took a crap on a fully built motor.

I have been friendly to you since day one and even Bobby asked me if it was ok to give you my stock cams so you could fix your damn car and guess what I said “Sure, he can have them”. So if Bobby gave you stock set of HR cams, it’s a good chance they were mine. I am not asking for a thank you either and is not the reason I brought it up. I was under the impression you weren’t a douche at the time he asked me.

Stop and think before you start talking **** about someone. You seem to have thought I was coming down on you when I wasn’t. I was simply trying to help people understand that despite what you were trying to “imply” with these threads, there were other reasons it could have failed.

Take your bargain shopped, “dollar store” build and go blow it up again. At least this time you will have no one to blame for things failing except yourself/winmotorspots or whatever you guys want to call yourself. Tip: Don’t forget to tighten the bolts on your drive shaft!
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

How did I know you would be back?

We will start with my used part motor? Let's see not all of us spend 70k on our cars and bought brand new blocks. So I guess I should assume all of us with built blocks "Built" from our original blocks are "Bargain" motors. Guess S&R is a bargain building machine! Nope don't have your cams had my own. I don't need your help or S&R's. Let's get something straight before this continues. Funny the only person now on that side of things still thinking I "Implied" S&R was at fault is you. Maybe you should put a dick in your mouth shut up for 10min call Bobby and have a word or two cause us here we are sick of it. You pissed me off cause if it wasnt for you in here pissing people off tempers would not have gone to this point and I know of more than 5 close people near you that would agree. Whether or not they will say it to you is whatever. You don't know everything "Googlesmarts" don't work in this world. You should know that. Dollar store build? LoL One of the most expensive dollar store jobs ive ever seen. Just FYI next time you should know more about my car since the only "Used" parts its running is a turbo kit and that was about the only thing not at fault EVER. Your a bad image for them. Sinking them fast in the reputation. I can only hope all the "Hard Work" Marti is putting in is overcoming all the drama you have brought to them. Next time Bobby tells you to stay out of it he should put his choker leash on you cause you need it. Your like a ****ing lil puppy dog barking before you realize your not the big dog. Go back to your world of "Race Car" driving and stop trashing my thread. Physics arent your nitch. K thnx Bai.

As far as your 1/4 mile its funny you say the drive shafts huh? lets see anyone out here snapped a "Driveshaft"? no didnt think so. You were all talk about coming back with your race fuel at full power what happened there? Guess "Forza" doesnt have a 1/4 mile track?

Dont worry I wont forget to tighten my drive shaft bolts. I also will make sure my cams have the timing gears on them. I use L19's, Drag radials/slicks, I properly tighten and install my fuel system.

No need to respond if you wanna talk you have my number just call.

Ps its WIN Motorsportz

Flamermodz for prez 2011

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Old Apr 6, 2011 | 11:02 AM
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Guys, lay off of the name calling. Lets keep this civilized and on topic.
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GAMERMODZoCOM,,

Why it is almost always involves you putting yourself into a situation you know damn well you shouldn’t have been in to begin with !!!

IMHO S&R don't need you to defend them, since the OP didn't accused them of anything to begin with!!

Just go enjoy your stupid fast car
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Originally Posted by midz350
GAMERMODZoCOM,,

Why it is almost always involves you putting yourself into a situation you know damn well you shouldn’t have been in to begin with !!!

IMHO S&R don't need you to defend them, since the OP didn't accused them of anything to begin with!!

Just go enjoy your stupid fast car
Thanks Midz350 couldn't have said it better myself. Then again Im sure colin could have said it better he always knows the right things to say
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In for more about the broken cam and less about interwebz pissing contests.
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Originally Posted by Jasonvs2146
You pissed me off cause if it wasnt for you in here pissing people off tempers would not have gone to this point and I know of more than 5 close people near you that would agree. Whether or not they will say it to you is whatever. You don't know everything "Googlesmarts" don't work in this world. You should know that.


Your a bad image for them. Sinking them fast in the reputation. I can only hope all the "Hard Work" Marti is putting in is overcoming all the drama you have brought to them. Next time Bobby tells you to stay out of it he should put his choker leash on you cause you need it. Your lucky a ****ing lil puppy dog barking before you realize your not the big dog. Go back to your world of "Race Car" driving and stop trashing my thread. Physics arent your nitch. K thnx Bai.
wow could not agree more

I knew i should have hung around and met you while i was down there
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Originally Posted by k6750gsxr
Coffee much ? Your posts would make a harry potter book look short.
Lol my thoughts exactly..

Colin- aren't you always complaining about working all the damn time? Sounds like the exact opposite to me.. Unless of course part of your Job is trying to bring Down S&R's reputation on my350z
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So in a nutshell...
  • Based on circumstantial evidence thus far, it's possible that stock cams + stiff aftermarket valve springs = broken cam
  • GAMERMODZ talked out his *** (again) on a technical issue and got schooled by jerryd87.
  • GAMERMODZ has plenty of time to continually type lengthy posts here, but claims to have been too busy to get his 1000whp car on a Dynojet yet.
  • Shops that brag about the high volume of cars they do per month *cough* *cough* inevitably have problems maintaining high QC and end up with customers like the OP who have a laundry list of fawk ups.


Nice thread

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+2 rude g.


More pics for those interested soon. Also subscribe if you Havn already for future updates through out reassembly.
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+3 rude g
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man oh man..... ok....

So, this whole thing is really beyond out of hand. Nothign but circumstantial BS and "other peope" prodding has caused friendships and relationships to be ruined. a damn shame and it should have never happened.

Rude, with all due respect, we don't have issues with QC. We turn out over a dozen motors a month and we don't have them come back. Issues with this build were a while ago and while that doesn't make it ok or excusable, fact of that matter is, things were corrected and peace had been made with them. At the end of the day, you're judged not by the mistakes you make but how you take responsibility for them and do the right thing to fix them. That is something that even the OP didn't argue against.

I do agree that it should be back on topic or just closed all together and a new one started so we can see if other people have had this issue. It's now the 3rd that we are aware of.

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