Maybe I was too aggressive in the way I chose to defend them, I apologize for those I offended.

I just... I have dealt with those guys many times over the years. There are times where I speak to them regularly. When I was first learning the UpRev software, the owner of PM spent unreal amounts of time helping me learn the software... phone calls in the middle of the night when on the dyno, etc. End result, my 370z is just about to hit 7000miles now of pure BEATING and driving great on the stock engine twin turbos 525rwhp at 7.5psi, not even sure what it makes now cause i run it at 9-9.5.

If they made a mistake, then they did, and I am sorry for jumping on you guys about it. But at the same time, I hate to see them being jumped so hard around here, because I KNOW they have great intentions and want to take care of people.

And whoever asked if I want to call out Vince at RT... hell no i dont want to call him out. Every time I spoke to him he was cool as hell, and he helped me learn the UpRev over the phone too.

All I am saying here is big misunderstanding and I guess all that matters in the end is that the OPs car is now making 500hp rwhp... even if the road to get there was a little bumpy due to a mistake... many other VQ guys have had it much worse.

 

I dont get it, how many owners does this car have?

 

I never said I purchased from PM as a matter of fact I've never done any business with them, Ive done business with Alex their sales guy but it wasn't pertaining to my car. Thanks I got Charles # in my phone and he did say if I have any issues with the install to call him, and when I did text him on a few occasions he responded ASAP now back to the regular scheduled program

 

Np. I'm just waiting for Performance to clear things up. It's really up to them to end this all.

I'm just stating the facts. I'm not making **** up about them or spreading rumors.

 

(1) Owner and a lot of FRIENDS!

 

^ His car was untuned and my car was misfiring. Thats why we were both calling to get our cars tuned. Hope this clears things up

EDIT: Calling to get our cars RETUNED. Mine was only misfiring after their tune

 

He said

For him to use that story as why he believes that PM and I have a business relationship, I figured it would only make sense if he purchased our product from PM. If he got it somewhere else, whatever... I dont remember.. I do vaguely recall him texting me now but beyond that I dont know.

Regardless, who gives a ****? Pretty sure we have covered several times in the last 2 pages that PM is a dealer of mine...

 

Word

 

OK, this thread is not about PHUNK tuning the car its about PM. Let's hope they reply

 

Alright guys... its been fun but I am now like 2 hours late for the gym. No hard feelings!

 

Impossible, you can't even get into real time tuning without first flashing the Osiris ROM onto the ECU. Even if they did forget to flash the real time tune, there would still be an Osiris ROM on the ECU. That's apparently not the case here.

 

Hey dj, I kno u tune with this, how do u think it's possible to lose the uprev license and roms if in fact they were once on Russell ecu... Could they erase if u disconnected the battery for an extended period of time?

I'm exaggerating of coarse but how in your opinion could it of erased itself?

 

Not trying to start a fight here, but I still can't believe that his engine on stock tune would survive boost. Even when his friend took it past 5000rpm.

 

Now you're barking up the right tree. There must be some really, really obscure reason along these lines that can explain the vanishing tune.
I was surprised at how many miles etc you stated that you got away with on yours (very gently) stock. But, although the OP didn't have a lot of miles in his ~ year of driving, he did hit full boost and then some. It just sounds so unlikely and I think that's why phunk came in so hard. The thread title leads it to a witch hunt, but I think there must be some really obscure explanation here, somewhere.

 

Youre right... so we have very limited possibilities left here.

A: They intentionally screwed over the customer, and rather than just tune his car like they have done with 100 others on their dyno, they just pretended this time. They did a few risky stock tune 440rwhp pulls and gave him the car back. The stock engine has not only managed to remain intact for an entire year in this totally ****ed state, it had no mechanical issues arise while throwing down 500rwhp after a retune with larger injectors.

B: They accidentally reflashed the "back to stock" ROM when they were finally done tuning, rather than the finished ROM with imported RTT. Again, the stock engine has not only managed to remain intact for an entire year in this totally ****ed state, it had no mechanical issues arise while throwing down 500rwhp after a retune with larger injectors.

C: Something has happened or been tampered with on the car in the last YEAR that he has waited to get it retuned.

D: There was some sort of glitch or something when the car was getting retuned, and the Osiris software called it a stock ROM.

Some of these options sound a lot more likely than the one all you guys believe.

In the end... NONE OF YOU WILL EVER KNOW. There are two sides here and they both have a fine reputation with happy customers, they both believe what they believe... so all thats left is probability or common sense. Is it possible this car really held together at 440rwhp with no tune, when back in 03/04/05 guys were blowing up at mid/high 300s trying to get their tunes right? Sure, anything is possible. But is it probable? Eh.........

 

Whatever the case is there was no license there....still awaiting pm to chime in

 

The Osiris ROM can't be forgotten. Osiris is the operating system to the ECU. Put it this way - imagine reformatting your windows XP computer (completely erase HDD) and install Windows 7 from scratch. There's no way XP (stock ROM) is going to suddenly reappear. It would have to be reinstalled (reflashed back to ECU).

Given he was getting walked down by 380whp car with a 300lb dude in it we know he's way down on power and I highly doubt he was actually putting down 440whp before the retune. 440cc's are very forgiving and will seem to run OK (out of boost and in low boost) with no tune....see my previous post where I actually did so for several months. If he hardly ever hit boost it's plausible he survived the past 8 months on a stock ROM.

This could have been the case, and quite frankly is the only one I would believe at this point. Vince is one of the most talented and knowledgeable Uprev tuners I've ever dealt with, and I would even argue he knows more about tuning the software than Uprev themselves. If he said it was a stock ROM then sorry, you know what: it's a stock ROM (or something other than Uprev) so get used to it .

You don't see other tuners jumping in 'oh I see that sometimes where ROM editor thinks an uprev flashed ECU is stock and the tune is completely lost'. I think that would have been headline news by now.

 

Agreed the missing license is by far the worst part about all of this because it opens up a can of worms. No license, means no tune, not to mention another $300 now vanished from the OP's pocket on top of the retune bill.

Even if this was an 'honest' mistake on behalf of PM it opens up serious questions about their tuning procedure. This is the type of alleged negligence that borders on fraud.

What does the OP have to personally gain by dragging this out when everything is already said and done? What do vendors have to gain by discrediting the OP?

Exactly.

 

And thats all folks! Looks like PM aint coming in and I don't think they care at this point. Russell is out the $1600 no apology, and jus left with speculation... Poor business practices make for a poor business.. Not too mention once again a vendor comes in and tried to make a fool outta the OP hoping others will jump on the bandwagon as has happened many times before...

Russell enjoy the car and take this as a learning experience.

Now lets see Wat ur 1/4 mile looks like this Sunday!

 

This is messed up. Whats someones username name over at Performance Motorsport? I'll pm them a link to this thread. I want to hear why that ecu was still stock. And it better not be the BS excuse they gave earlier saying he took it to a dealership and it got cleared.