momentum gt3794r build.
11-28-2011, 07:06 PM
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11-29-2011, 07:45 AM
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It just sucks trying to fill your car with 5 gallon cans so i choose the e85
I'm on hks 1000cc injectors. 83% duty cycle at 652hp. I'll be pushing further once my new clutch comes in. Probably 2 weeks since i'll be on winter break.
i will say that the 340 you have will be the limiting factor though. it will give up before those 1000cc injectors will.
If you don't have good access to e85 that kind of sucks and restricts it. 50/50 pump c16 would be nice. 101.5 octane mixed with 87 and 103.5 mixed with 91. Should be economical option you could run all the time too.
also, i think locally here we are going to start mixing our own e85. You can get a drum of e98 then mix it yourself. I calculated it mixing with 87 octane and it was just under 4$ per gallon and more reliable than what e85 is at the pump. You would have to upgrade the fuel pump with it though. The race gas mix wouldn't require a fuel pump upgrade though and still has plenty of octane for a good power curve.
11-29-2011, 08:06 AM
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oh, well no, definitely not in that case!
It just sucks trying to fill your car with 5 gallon cans so i choose the e85
I'm on hks 1000cc injectors. 83% duty cycle at 652hp. I'll be pushing further once my new clutch comes in. Probably 2 weeks since i'll be on winter break.
i will say that the 340 you have will be the limiting factor though. it will give up before those 1000cc injectors will.
If you don't have good access to e85 that kind of sucks and restricts it. 50/50 pump c16 would be nice. 101.5 octane mixed with 87 and 103.5 mixed with 91. Should be economical option you could run all the time too.
also, i think locally here we are going to start mixing our own e85. You can get a drum of e98 then mix it yourself. I calculated it mixing with 87 octane and it was just under 4$ per gallon and more reliable than what e85 is at the pump. You would have to upgrade the fuel pump with it though. The race gas mix wouldn't require a fuel pump upgrade though and still has plenty of octane for a good power curve.
It just sucks trying to fill your car with 5 gallon cans so i choose the e85
I'm on hks 1000cc injectors. 83% duty cycle at 652hp. I'll be pushing further once my new clutch comes in. Probably 2 weeks since i'll be on winter break.
i will say that the 340 you have will be the limiting factor though. it will give up before those 1000cc injectors will.
If you don't have good access to e85 that kind of sucks and restricts it. 50/50 pump c16 would be nice. 101.5 octane mixed with 87 and 103.5 mixed with 91. Should be economical option you could run all the time too.
also, i think locally here we are going to start mixing our own e85. You can get a drum of e98 then mix it yourself. I calculated it mixing with 87 octane and it was just under 4$ per gallon and more reliable than what e85 is at the pump. You would have to upgrade the fuel pump with it though. The race gas mix wouldn't require a fuel pump upgrade though and still has plenty of octane for a good power curve.
11-29-2011, 08:50 AM
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what do you mean by clips? Clips usually refer to the injector harness plug that plugs into the injector.
how would those have gotten crushed? either way, yes they are standard parts and are available.
Otherwise, everything else is just o-rings, which are also standard 14mm. either use OEM one from stock injectors or order them from DW, RC, ID, etc
how would those have gotten crushed? either way, yes they are standard parts and are available.
Otherwise, everything else is just o-rings, which are also standard 14mm. either use OEM one from stock injectors or order them from DW, RC, ID, etc
11-29-2011, 09:28 AM
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what do you mean by clips? Clips usually refer to the injector harness plug that plugs into the injector.
how would those have gotten crushed? either way, yes they are standard parts and are available.
Otherwise, everything else is just o-rings, which are also standard 14mm. either use OEM one from stock injectors or order them from DW, RC, ID, etc
how would those have gotten crushed? either way, yes they are standard parts and are available.
Otherwise, everything else is just o-rings, which are also standard 14mm. either use OEM one from stock injectors or order them from DW, RC, ID, etc
11-29-2011, 12:54 PM
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what do you mean by clips? Clips usually refer to the injector harness plug that plugs into the injector.
how would those have gotten crushed? either way, yes they are standard parts and are available.
Otherwise, everything else is just o-rings, which are also standard 14mm. either use OEM one from stock injectors or order them from DW, RC, ID, etc
how would those have gotten crushed? either way, yes they are standard parts and are available.
Otherwise, everything else is just o-rings, which are also standard 14mm. either use OEM one from stock injectors or order them from DW, RC, ID, etc
11-29-2011, 01:24 PM
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Car is strapped to the dyno but I don't think bryan is going to finish the 91 Oct tune today. Nobody wants to guess my #s huh?
Mabey some of you guys who appear to know everything don't want to risk looking silly huh? Lol.
Come on str8tdum1, resmarted, ect... Take a crack at it.
Mabey some of you guys who appear to know everything don't want to risk looking silly huh? Lol.
Come on str8tdum1, resmarted, ect... Take a crack at it.
11-29-2011, 02:48 PM
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what did you end up decided to use to tune with? how is your tuner going to determine what's enough boost/timing? Det cans? You guys are doing plug checks right? Easy to leave a lot of HP on the table if your timing isnt aggro enough.
That turbo is a similar size to a 6765. A good tuner on an aggressive tune should be able to make 600 on 91 around 23psi and 800 on C16 around 34psi
But that's are based upon the assumption that the overpriced HTA is anywhere near as good as a 6765. You could be 100whp less easily considering stock heads, small T3 flange, small downpipe. Seems only 4bangers use that turbo. Probably because other cars with more displacement dont fuss with a T3 flange.
That turbo is a similar size to a 6765. A good tuner on an aggressive tune should be able to make 600 on 91 around 23psi and 800 on C16 around 34psi
But that's are based upon the assumption that the overpriced HTA is anywhere near as good as a 6765. You could be 100whp less easily considering stock heads, small T3 flange, small downpipe. Seems only 4bangers use that turbo. Probably because other cars with more displacement dont fuss with a T3 flange.
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11-29-2011, 03:18 PM
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what did you end up decided to use to tune with? how is your tuner going to determine what's enough boost/timing? Det cans? You guys are doing plug checks right? Easy to leave a lot of HP on the table if your timing isnt aggro enough.
That turbo is a similar size to a 6765. A good tuner on an aggressive tune should be able to make 600 on 91 around 23psi and 800 on C16 around 34psi
But that's are based upon the assumption that the overpriced HTA is anywhere near as good as a 6765. You could be 100whp less easily considering stock heads, small T3 flange, small downpipe. Seems only 4bangers use that turbo. Probably because other cars with more displacement dont fuss with a T3 flange.
That turbo is a similar size to a 6765. A good tuner on an aggressive tune should be able to make 600 on 91 around 23psi and 800 on C16 around 34psi
But that's are based upon the assumption that the overpriced HTA is anywhere near as good as a 6765. You could be 100whp less easily considering stock heads, small T3 flange, small downpipe. Seems only 4bangers use that turbo. Probably because other cars with more displacement dont fuss with a T3 flange.
11-29-2011, 03:18 PM
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what did you end up decided to use to tune with? how is your tuner going to determine what's enough boost/timing? Det cans? You guys are doing plug checks right? Easy to leave a lot of HP on the table if your timing isnt aggro enough.
That turbo is a similar size to a 6765. A good tuner on an aggressive tune should be able to make 600 on 91 around 23psi and 800 on C16 around 34psi
But that's are based upon the assumption that the overpriced HTA is anywhere near as good as a 6765. You could be 100whp less easily considering stock heads, small T3 flange, small downpipe. Seems only 4bangers use that turbo. Probably because other cars with more displacement dont fuss with a T3 flange.
That turbo is a similar size to a 6765. A good tuner on an aggressive tune should be able to make 600 on 91 around 23psi and 800 on C16 around 34psi
But that's are based upon the assumption that the overpriced HTA is anywhere near as good as a 6765. You could be 100whp less easily considering stock heads, small T3 flange, small downpipe. Seems only 4bangers use that turbo. Probably because other cars with more displacement dont fuss with a T3 flange.
Ipp stage 2 block
L19 and arp main
Momentum gt3794r kit
Momentum exhaust( dual cat back)
Momentum headers
Jwt c2 cams
Over size vaulvs,5 angle cut,stiffer springs, port and polish.
Skunk2 5/8" Plenum spacer.
Cjm stage 2 fuel return.
Areomotive 340lph feul pump
1000cc injectors dynamics injectors
Haltec and Osirus will be used for tunning.
My tunning instructions were just get what u can safely.
Btw don't you know my tuner str8dum1
11-29-2011, 03:26 PM
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well osirus has no way to detect knock and the haltech needs a lot of tuning to get knock detection to get rid of the noise. Neither of which will be done in 1 tuning session.
I made my guess. Post #1 made no mention of heads, so that will help some. But, you now qualify that you want it done safely. Well that is all at a tuners discretion. It has NOTHING to do with the total potential of the system, esp if your tuner is not using det can and checking the plugs. You should be asking, how confident is your tuner. Not how much HP can I make becuase I assure you, you could make more.
case in point Alberto's 18g kit makes well over 100whp more than the same setup done by a different tuner.
I assume your tuner is Meatbag. I dont know him personally nor other cars he's done besides his own. I didnt even know he was associated with powerfab until this thread. But it makes sense he was shop associated given the amount of fabrication required on his build.
I made my guess. Post #1 made no mention of heads, so that will help some. But, you now qualify that you want it done safely. Well that is all at a tuners discretion. It has NOTHING to do with the total potential of the system, esp if your tuner is not using det can and checking the plugs. You should be asking, how confident is your tuner. Not how much HP can I make becuase I assure you, you could make more.
case in point Alberto's 18g kit makes well over 100whp more than the same setup done by a different tuner.
I assume your tuner is Meatbag. I dont know him personally nor other cars he's done besides his own. I didnt even know he was associated with powerfab until this thread. But it makes sense he was shop associated given the amount of fabrication required on his build.
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11-29-2011, 03:32 PM
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It seems silly and pointless to me to guess on exact numbers rather than ballpark figures. I doubt the car would make the same exact numbers twice or three times in a row. So what's the point of going beyond a ballpark guesstimate?
+1 to what Rich said about all the variables regarding the tune.
+1 to what Rich said about all the variables regarding the tune.
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11-29-2011, 04:21 PM
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It seems silly and pointless to me to guess on exact numbers rather than ballpark figures. I doubt the car would make the same exact numbers twice or three times in a row. So what's the point of going beyond a ballpark guesstimate?
+1 to what Rich said about all the variables regarding the tune.
+1 to what Rich said about all the variables regarding the tune.
Everyone has the same info so variables so its a fair game.
Anyway nevermind ( serious bunch you guys are)
11-29-2011, 04:24 PM
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well osirus has no way to detect knock and the haltech needs a lot of tuning to get knock detection to get rid of the noise. Neither of which will be done in 1 tuning session.
I made my guess. Post #1 made no mention of heads, so that will help some. But, you now qualify that you want it done safely. Well that is all at a tuners discretion. It has NOTHING to do with the total potential of the system, esp if your tuner is not using det can and checking the plugs. You should be asking, how confident is your tuner. Not how much HP can I make becuase I assure you, you could make more.
case in point Alberto's 18g kit makes well over 100whp more than the same setup done by a different tuner.
I assume your tuner is Meatbag. I dont know him personally nor other cars he's done besides his own. I didnt even know he was associated with powerfab until this thread. But it makes sense he was shop associated given the amount of fabrication required on his build.
I made my guess. Post #1 made no mention of heads, so that will help some. But, you now qualify that you want it done safely. Well that is all at a tuners discretion. It has NOTHING to do with the total potential of the system, esp if your tuner is not using det can and checking the plugs. You should be asking, how confident is your tuner. Not how much HP can I make becuase I assure you, you could make more.
case in point Alberto's 18g kit makes well over 100whp more than the same setup done by a different tuner.
I assume your tuner is Meatbag. I dont know him personally nor other cars he's done besides his own. I didnt even know he was associated with powerfab until this thread. But it makes sense he was shop associated given the amount of fabrication required on his build.
I usually dont post my association with my shop since my posts have been deleted before. Thus keeping most the cars I have tuned off this forum.
I was working on the knock settings along with some basic tuning. Although the way the momentum kit hard mounts its pipes to the AC compressor quite a bit of extra noise is transmitted into the engine thus taking a little more time then usual.
I use other methods to detect knock/det like pulling plugs, electronic knock ears, etc....
Other then that I hate to see the dyno debate brought up in this thread so lets just leave it at that. Since EVERY shop has the "heartbreaker"
or
"reads low"
or
"if you made that much on this dyno you really make this much"
or
"you made this on our dyno which is really this on everyone else dyno".
PowerFabs dyno reads lower then some dynos and higher then others as I have seen from customers of ours going to dyno days, etc..
