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Old Apr 15, 2022 | 11:15 PM
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***Before everyone jumps me on the plasti-gauge, it’s not sitting next to the plasti…so it’s sorta decieving how it reads right there!


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Old Apr 17, 2022 | 08:07 PM
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Been doing some research and I think I’m gonna stick with the .0025” main bearing oil clearance.

Started gapping the rings - got the top rings gapped and put them to .025” +/-. I can get the 2nd ring done tomorrow.

Waiting on the pistons to coated and I can resume the build.

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Old Apr 30, 2022 | 12:40 AM
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Dont even know where to start … this post will be scattered

powder coater had my pistons and I had nothing to do except balance the g35 pistons / rods, play with the q40, and throw the ball for the black labs …

I did get top and 2nd comp rings gapped and checked … a little fatter than I typically would want (somewhere between .028 and .03)…

been waiting all week on my dearly arias pistons to get back from the powder guy … I dont know why but I sorta have an emotional attachment to these pistons … they got a clean bill of health from my machinist and I think that my pauter rods and arias pistons are the only original built block components that are still alive … (rev-up oil pump is still alive & will but will be going to the g35 when I put the boundary pump in).

Had a few disappointing conversations with the powder guys that the pistons werent done and they were likely going to be wrapped up either today or saturday, worst case scenario Monday … I stressed the importance of getting them back today and the main guy was onboard and wrapped them up - called me around 4pm and said they’d be ready. Zipped over and grabbed them.

I dont know if I mentioned but I bought a rod balancing table & scale and I immediately balanced the piston set (rather easy - previous shop did a great job) and moved on to the rods and they were easier than I anticipated … With everyting within the 1/10th of a gram I was able to start assembling. Got cylinders 1 and 2 done. I calculated oil bearing clearances and everything is falling between .002 and .003 and verified with plasti

I hope to have the majority of the block assembled by the end of the weekend -



Archive:
Mains Journals(Spec 2.3622”)
First: 2.3507 (.0012 under)
Second: 2.3599” (.0023” under)
Third: 2.3587” (.0035” under)
Forth: 2.3599 (.0023 under)

Rods Journals(Spec 2.0472”)
One: 2.0458” (.0014” under)
Two: 2.0461” (.0011” under)
Three: 2.0466” (.0006” under)
Four: 2.0455” (.0017” under)
Five: 2.0459” (.0013” under)
Six: 2.0482” (.0010 over)

Pauter Rods (Inside Diameter) (bearings occupy .1182”)
Dot 1 / P50 / Cyl 1 / 2.1662”
Dot 2 / P15 / Cyl 2 / 2.1665”
Dot 3 / P57 / Cyl 3 / 2.1680” (spun bearing July 2021)
Dot 4 / P28 / Cyl 4 / 2.1660” (spun bearing October 2018
Dot 5 / P19 / Cyl 5 / 2.1663”
Dot 6 / P47 / Cyl 6 / 2.1665”

Big End Rod Clearance:
Cylinder 1: 0020”
Cylinder 2: .0020”
Cylinder 3: .0017”
Cylinder 4: .0018”
Cylinder 5: .0021”
Cylinder 6: CHECK

Pistons:
1. 408.1g (-.5g)
2. 407.8g (-.2g)
3. 407.6g (low)
4. 408.0 (-.4g)
5. 407.7 (-.1g)
6. 408.1 (-.5g)

Rods - balanced
1. 441.6g (low)
2. 441.8g (-.2g)
3. 442.4g (-.8)
4. 444.2g (-1.4g)
5. 441.7 (-.1g)
6. 441.6 (low)

Rods - Total
1. 643.0g (-.2g)
2. 643.5g (-.7g)
3. 642.8g (low)
4. 643.4g (-.6g)
5. 643.8 (-1.0g)
6. 643.8 (-1.0)

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Some decent progress last few days.

Nothing crazy or unexpected as it relates to the rebuild. Got most everything assembled by the end of last night, applied a bunch of break-in oil and assembly gel to moving parts, and was able to put about 10 turns revolutions into the motor and everything felt good.

I torqued the heads down to 105ft-lbs … she’s a tight one!

Excuse the messy garage … I have too many things going on…






Might run two oil pan spacers … maybe?


Thinking about cutting this part of the upper oil pan off to make room for a rear-exit exhaust - currently this is a pinch point.

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Old May 6, 2022 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bealljk;[url=tel:11077386
11077386[/url]]Some decent progress last few days.

Nothing crazy or unexpected as it relates to the rebuild. Got most everything assembled by the end of last night, applied a bunch of break-in oil and assembly gel to moving parts, and was able to put about 10 turns revolutions into the motor and everything felt good.

I torqued the heads down to 105ft-lbs … she’s a tight one!
You still using the L19’s for the VQ?
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Old May 6, 2022 | 10:18 AM
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You still using the L19’s for the VQ?
yea - might have to retire them after this torquing…took them to 105 in 6 sequences. Mostly fearful that I rip the threads out of the block.
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Old May 6, 2022 | 11:24 AM
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Yeah I would avoid that 😂 but you can always go to the VR38DETT L19’s like I did. Even at 100ftlb it was super solid, didn’t feel like anything was stretching
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I dont know how I feel about taking the OEM stud holes to 1/2” … not gonna say no but I think that in and of itself can bring compromises. The L19s are plenty strong for my goals.

I’m waiting to see how yours does!

Rinz - Any harm in cutting out that section of the upper oil pan? It normally just has that block off plate.

Also re-fabricating a fuel line manifold … It’ll have a AN -12 inlet, three AN -6 outlets (one for each rail and then one that’ll be capped and used if I need to drain the gas tank) and then two NPT ports for a dial gauge and my fuel pressure sensor. My previous one (although hidden) was sorta janky, I was in a hurry and I put too much heat into it.
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12mm actually

as for the oil pan I don’t think it will be a problem as long as you don’t compromise the sealing of the oil pan and don’t expose the flywheel, might be a good idea to look at it next to the transmission and flush it to the shape of the bell housing?

yeah I’m waiting to see how mine turns out too 😂 just about ready to reassemble the engine, just waiting on the heads to get back from the machine shop.
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nice progress!
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Originally Posted by Rinzlark
12mm actually

as for the oil pan I don’t think it will be a problem as long as you don’t compromise the sealing of the oil pan and don’t expose the flywheel, might be a good idea to look at it next to the transmission and flush it to the shape of the bell housing?

yeah I’m waiting to see how mine turns out too 😂 just about ready to reassemble the engine, just waiting on the heads to get back from the machine shop.
Ahhh … 12mm -

I taped everything off and cut the oil pan … looks great but when I put the transmission on there was a smaller bolt that I cut out. Too late now. It did free up some space but the bell housing has a small bulb-out that will be the next thing in the way … You can tell this is for a starter and I might etch where I can safely trim the transmission bell housing and weld a cover to it.

More progresss … basically got the engine 100% buttoned up and walked-over to the other garage, off the stand, flywheel bolted on, clutch/pressure plate attached and transmission bolted-up. I was pretty late(early) 2am’ish and I was tanked, so I called it a night.

I’m considering abandoning the OEM filter setup and going to a Peterson inline filter with their cellulose filter element … sorta pricey at $60/filter but would simplify and remove one possible failpoint on the oil system.

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One thing I wanted to establish is a series of compression tests along the way of this rebuild … tonight I hooked a spare battery to the starter (grounded out on the block) and then a set of small of 10ga wire to activate the solenoid.

Multi-purpose test, because I can not only check compression but I can prime the oil system - two birds one stone! Running on the starter I got about 30-35psi of oil pressure.

I know that cylinder #4 is going to be low … when I was inspecting the valves seats I could see the smallest of flicker of light when I did the flashlight test to see how the valves were sealing. I went back and forth on this - my options were to swap my valve train to another set of heads (which I dont know if they need machined), run the current heads and see how it does, or buy new heads and swap everything over. I decided to clean the valve and valve seat as best as I could and in reality both the valve and the head are going to expand due to heat and will shrink this gap up.

I had a freak-out moment where cylinder #2 came in at 70psi…I completely was deflated and wanted to throw a hammer at the wall. I messaged my buddy and we chatted about it and I thought ‘check it again’ … so I hooked it all up again and it came in better.

For the Archive (fresh cylinder hone, minimal oil presence, .005” cylinder to wall clearance, and cylinder #4 intake valve not sealing perfect):
Cylinder 1 - 105psi
Cylinder 2 - 100psi
Cylinder 3 - 102psi
Cylinder 4 - 92psi
Cylinder 5 - 95psi
Cylinder 6 - 108psi

Got a few more things buttoned up on the block and hoisted it into place … “shimmy’d” it down into place and wasnt too too horrible. Landed it on the engine mounts, bolted the tranmission in, bolted the engine mounts down and called it a night.

From here on out it’s just legos.

A few things on the horizon …
-figure out the new turbo setup … how does the intake work? Will the cold side need revamped? How does the exhaust work? Coolant & oil fees should stay the same.
-figure out the radiator?? Is it staying in the trunk? or move it back up-front? Whats the plan for gaining airflow?
-How will the oil cooler situation work?
-finalize the stainless steel fuel manifold








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Old May 13, 2022 | 11:13 PM
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Lots of progress…

Engine & accessories are just about 100% and I’m working on buttoning up the small stuff, connecting coolant lines and electrical connectors.

I cannot believe how bad the OEM harness asthetically looks and I started rebuilding certain sub-harness … all are the 0-5volt sensor or on/off sensors and I’m gonna go from there…Also going to slightly re-route the vacuum line setup a little differently.

Going to ditch the peterson oil filter for now … a little too much trouble and something I didnt consider is the filter doesnt have a backflow / oneway valve. I actually have one that would splice right in but its becoming too complicated … I need less complications.
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Just been stupid busy with everything last few weeks …

wrapped up everything and did a good job making things look pretty … had a poo poo coolant leak that cost me a few hours on the driver’s side head where it connects to the hardpipe. Got that sorted and then found two fuel leaks … one was a simple tighting of my -12 feed line near the transmission and the other was a PITA where my fuel-block-manifold had a tiny tiny hole in one of the weld beads and I was still having a tiny leak leak at on of my fittings. I used a small amount of thread sealant and its holding for now. I re-ordered a -12 to -12 fitting and I’ll change it out at some point.



I ordered two boxes of fire sleeve a little while back and with my fuel feed lines off I installed 3/4” fire sleeve on the lines behind the engine …



Small fix on my fuel pressure regulator - the FPR used a 1/16” NPT and I mistakenly ordered an AN-3 fitting a few years back and I rigged a 1/4” hose to it and just made it work … quick fix was to order a 1/16NPT to AN-4 fitting (easy enough) and re-did the sleeve & nut on the line.



My last setup had 1/4” aluminum vacuum lines sorta all over the place … I didnt like it but it was installed and I had the chance to re-run the lines out of sight (under the plenum and along the drivers/underside drivers and moved my wastegate lines and boost control lines underneath the headers - required a little work but I think it came out well. Did this with the BOV line too. Also installed a vac block for the boost reference. I may revise this and buy two matching vacuum blocks to make them look the same - I think it’s far cleaner than the AN-4 Tee I had before.







I havent 100% decided but I may fabricate 1/2” aluminum hardlines for the coolant for the turbo - in my brain-haze I think I ordered the materials but I cant remember…the steel braided hose is really close to the header and crank pulley and sorta goofy -

And surer-than-**** - my turbo scavenge line doesnt drain efficiently … so I will proabaly have to cap my -12 fitting on the passenger side and install a bulkhead fitting on the driver’s side … which, it 10,000% clear and has zero obstructions! Not sure why I put it on the passenger side in the first place but oh-well …

I also may look into a oil feed manifold … Something that comes off the block or after the filter and I can feed the turbo off one port and have (now) three or four oil pressure / temperature sensors off of and then the engine supply would flow through the manifold block (and not off a port). I have a few ideals… I think I’m going to ditch the OEM pressure sensor and install an AEM pressure sensor and re-pin those wires to a dephi setup.

As things are progressing I’m trying to clean up wiring and use best practices. One thing that has needed attention are my ‘rescue sensors’ … the connectors are in rough shape and they’re not really servicable so I ordered a bunch of replacement conntectors (for reference they’re delphi GM 3pin - common connector). The connectors came in and I replaced every one of the older style. Also cleaned up the wiring and switched everything over to tefzel, double-nylon sleeved, heat-shrink’d accordingly. I tried to add a few extra feet of wire to each so that I can use these moving forward with a revised harness.



Seems overly complicated but I also added plastic split wire loom over the nylon sleeve on wires that are under the car - doing my best to keep the nylon sleeve nice/clean…

Needed a little fenagle’ing on the water pump - re-situated the pump and bought a short 10” piece of flex radiator hose and it all worked out.

One big hot mess was how I wired my cooling fans … I ran them straight off a add-a-fuse with a 30amp fuse after burning through smaller fuses and I’m lucky that it didnt do any damage bc even the 30amp fuse was near-melted … I was able to keep most the wiring for the fans and I added a relay to the trunk area and replaced the big 12ga power wire with a 20ga relay trigger wire. My buddy Reilly at Unknown Performance is going to make me a fan shroud. I think I’m going to modify the hatch lexan as well and really open it up to direct air at the radiator.




Saw these on amazon and not sure if they’re a step in the right direction or if they just look jank?? But it does clean the battery terminals up and has a easier / practical use for quick disconnect.



My gauge cluster was sorta a hot mess with all the wires and hoses running every which direction. Re-plumbed my boost reference gauge and the boost/vac gauge and I eliminated the lights within the gauges (which I might bring them back) and re-conceived how I am powering the gauges as well. Before I had a few add-a-fuse wires for the widebands, and another for the other sensors. I kept one and upgraded it to 12ga tefzel to power a power/ground block and running each component off the power block.




I hate to do this but as days / weeks / months go on I think I have to jump over to e85 to really get the most out of this engine … I bought a set of 1050x injectors and I am gathering that 1050cc (and really they are 1065cc at 43psi, which is more like 1100cc at 52psi). Deatschwerks fuel calculator says 900bhp is achievable with 1160cc/min on e85 which probably equates to around 700whp?? Had a small chat with Moncef and he said, safely 1050x are hitting 600hp …

So I may sell them and upgrade to 1300cc/min …

with that being said - I need to order two AEM 340lph pumps and isntall into a fuel basket (automotive engineering) at some point in the near future.

Lost a day chasing a throttle body / electrical relay issue … I wish there was a better option for a replacement IPDM. I ‘may’ revise this and do a fuse block / relay block for just the power items I need.

With all this done I was able to get the car up and running - and aside from a VTC issue and a dead wideband the car is doing alright. I was able to run the car for about 5minutes and I drained the ‘flush’ oil - I am pushing around 50 to 60psi of oil pressure at idle pre-filter - this sorta scares me but I dont know if it’s more of a function of the upgraded oil pump and it’s flowing more or if I have other issues?? …

After 5minutes of idle run time I drained/captured the oil in a clean tub. I’ll visually inspect here at some point over the next week. I did remove the filter and cut it open and I do have ‘some’ bearing material and aluminum debris - I dont think it’s enough to freak out but I will make further assessments and determinations upon inspecting the engine oil and future oil changes. Also - I had 15-20 cranks/no starts trying to figure out the throttle body relay/IPDM issue so I wonder how much this impacted the debris in the oil filter.

I subsequently added 7quarts of driven break in oil and a new filter.















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I just gotta stop … I cant take this f’n wiring harness …

Cut the harness open and was able to untangle a handful of circuits that were already cut or disconnected and no longer is use … all four o2 sensors, AC pressure sensor, MAF sensor, etc … chased these wires back to the ecu and left a small pig-tail on them and heat-shrink’d them off. Each circuit had a ground and a 5v power supply so it was pretty straight forward.

Gonna do a poor-mans wire tuck for the time being - leave the wires exposed and just put plastic split loom on each. Make sure the car starts/drives and as time allows I’ll be making each sensor/input/output/etc nice and pretty. In the meantime, the harness is just a tad less complicated - I think I was able to remove about 24 strands of wire.





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Still on the stock plenum and throttle body? Have you been tempted to upgrade or mod either (beyond the spacer I see)?
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Still on the stock plenum and throttle body? Have you been tempted to upgrade or mod either (beyond the spacer I see)?
He very much dislikes the Kinetix Velocity manifold :-( maybe oneday he'll join the dark side OR he'll convert to a LS intake.
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He very much dislikes the Kinetix Velocity manifold :-( maybe oneday he'll join the dark side OR he'll convert to a LS intake.
Because its been shown time and time again that the Velocity manifold doesn't make much power and is prone to cracking. Oem intake really is the way to go, with a spacer.
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Originally Posted by Timboj
Still on the stock plenum and throttle body? Have you been tempted to upgrade or mod either (beyond the spacer I see)?
I dont intend to change the OEM plenum … I have considered fabricating my own but I dont think I can do much better than OEM. I do have ideas in my head but I am stupid busy these days and have limited time on the car.

I think I have created a 87mm throttle body jumper harness that is plug & play and I may switch over to the 87mm TB at some point in time. Big picture, the OEM plenum and TB are not my limiting factors so it’s a low priority

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He very much dislikes the Kinetix Velocity manifold :-( maybe oneday he'll join the dark side OR he'll convert to a LS intake.
Yea, I think the kinetix is mostly worthless - it’s lighter than OEM?? … I will prove this in the coming days/weeks/months/years but for the time being sticking with the OEM

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Because its been shown time and time again that the Velocity manifold doesn't make much power and is prone to cracking. Oem intake really is the way to go, with a spacer.
I think nissan did an optimal job designing the intake runners and no one can really improve on them … but we’ll see …

Got some minor progress on the wiring … a big soup of hot mess … all things considered it went really well and I was essentially able to sort each sensor / input / output / etc. I am not messing with the ignition coils until everything else is sorted, up, and running - I think I messed it up last time so I am gunshy to make changes.

Plan will be to take each circuit, wrap it in plastic split loom and re-path it to its desination. Once I’m complete and can verify the car is still functioning like it should I will start re-making the individual circuits. I am pretty happy with my progress and it seems less daunting with where I’m at as of today.





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I agree, I've not seen any plenums in the market that are a good return on investment. I like the idea of a lighter intake setup (as you pointed out), but not for the cost/inefficiencies. You can see why Nissan switched to plastic for the HR+.

I was more curious about enlarging/shaping the neck for a larger TB, but sounds like you're already thinking about it. I'm in the process of port matching and opening up the volume a little on my plenum, but admittedly it's small potatoes for an FI setup. Mostly being OCD...

Loving the build, btw. The front mount turbo is awesome.
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Really the only intake that will flow better is the cosworth and people are selling them for $2k to $2500 … I can appreciate the intake but I can’t justify paying that much for the gains. If I can pick one up for a deal I will definately do it but not for gains for the opportunity to own something from Cosworth.

Made some good progress tonight … essentially finished sleeving all the wires in plastic loom (and for the record - I hate this stuff and this is very temporary) but I must stay that for how easy this ‘really’ was it makes a huge impact!

Also removing wires really helped and I can’t wait to build a custom harness and this is probably the best way to do it - one step at at time, having a practice set of wires to experiment with. Having real-world lengths to dial in…it’ll be good
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