Which turbo(s)?
#1
Which turbo(s)?
Let's say I was going to piece together a mid mount kit like boosted performance's.. Not sure if I want to go single or twins. My power goals are 380-400whp on a conservative tune daily driven 07 Z (vq35hr), with the occasional boost to 440-450whp. I NEVER plan on going any higher than this even though the HR can take it. I never plan on building the motor. I will replace the clutch but that is it. So with that said, I don't want to waste money on too big of a turbo that's overkill for my goals.
I don't want the best most expensive turbo, as it is a budget build. BUT I will not settle for cheap ebay crap, I still want quality and durability.
What brand/model/size should I be looking at thats "cheap" but will still last and not give me problems if I were to go the single turbo route?
What brand/model/size should I be looking at thats "cheap" but will still last and not give me problems if I were to go the twin turbo route?
I have also heard of oilless turbos, any recommendations on which one would be best if I chose that route and didn't have to worry about running all those oil lines underneath?
Also, I'm guessing a walbro 255 pump and 550cc injectors will be plenty for my power goals, or would you all recommend something different for a budget yet still quality build?
Any input would be greatly appreciated. My buddy custom turbo'd his NA talon with the 420a motor and is pretty knowledgeable about the subject. While he did his for under $1000, I understand the Z is a different animal and we are looking to keep it in the $2-3K range if possible.
I don't want the best most expensive turbo, as it is a budget build. BUT I will not settle for cheap ebay crap, I still want quality and durability.
What brand/model/size should I be looking at thats "cheap" but will still last and not give me problems if I were to go the single turbo route?
What brand/model/size should I be looking at thats "cheap" but will still last and not give me problems if I were to go the twin turbo route?
I have also heard of oilless turbos, any recommendations on which one would be best if I chose that route and didn't have to worry about running all those oil lines underneath?
Also, I'm guessing a walbro 255 pump and 550cc injectors will be plenty for my power goals, or would you all recommend something different for a budget yet still quality build?
Any input would be greatly appreciated. My buddy custom turbo'd his NA talon with the 420a motor and is pretty knowledgeable about the subject. While he did his for under $1000, I understand the Z is a different animal and we are looking to keep it in the $2-3K range if possible.
#3
2k-3k omfg really? your not going to be able to have a fully turboed Z for that. Please tell me this isnt your DD
Explain?
Turbo=?
Manifold=?
Hot side Piping=?
Cold side piping=?
Bov=?
Wastegate=?
Boost controller =?
Intercooler=?
Modified exhaust=?
Injectors=?
Tuner=?
Ems or osiris =?
Boost gauge=?
A/F gauge=?
Oil cooler=?
Spark plugs=?
Fuel pump=?
And this is just a start. Theres a hell of lot to building a kit. GL
Explain?
Turbo=?
Manifold=?
Hot side Piping=?
Cold side piping=?
Bov=?
Wastegate=?
Boost controller =?
Intercooler=?
Modified exhaust=?
Injectors=?
Tuner=?
Ems or osiris =?
Boost gauge=?
A/F gauge=?
Oil cooler=?
Spark plugs=?
Fuel pump=?
And this is just a start. Theres a hell of lot to building a kit. GL
#5
I have a buddy that runs a local shop that will do the piping fab for cheap. My car already has osiris and I will be doing the work myself with help from knowledgeable people. I understand that I may go over the $2-3K and if thats what it takes for quality parts, fine I am prepared to do so. But that is my goal going into the project without buying things that are overkill for what I want. It is my dd but I have 2 other vehicles that can be driven as I am prepared for the z to be down for atleast a few months during this.
Don't plan on having much of an exhaust to start off with, just open probably, car is loud as heck right now anyway. And the kit will utilize the stock manifolds and wont need a boost controller. Already have A/F gauge installed. I dont see why $3k isn't a reasonable amount to spend if I piece it together with budget quality parts, I will even seriously consider used parts like a rebuilt quality turbo.
You could be offering advice on your experiences with how one could lower the costs of a turbo kit while still using name brand parts instead of ridiculing. Think constructive criticism otherwise keep it to yourself, I've already stated this isnt going to be an ebay job.
Don't plan on having much of an exhaust to start off with, just open probably, car is loud as heck right now anyway. And the kit will utilize the stock manifolds and wont need a boost controller. Already have A/F gauge installed. I dont see why $3k isn't a reasonable amount to spend if I piece it together with budget quality parts, I will even seriously consider used parts like a rebuilt quality turbo.
You could be offering advice on your experiences with how one could lower the costs of a turbo kit while still using name brand parts instead of ridiculing. Think constructive criticism otherwise keep it to yourself, I've already stated this isnt going to be an ebay job.
Last edited by AT1222; 04-28-2013 at 01:52 PM.
#7
I'd be willing to bet boosted performance's personal cost of the 370z twin scroll kit PARTS is well under $5k. And that kit has parts I don't need and probably some that are overkill that could be saved on for my goals, which is why I was asking and you still haven't answered. So without me needing the exhaust and other parts, as well as me maybe using used parts I can get a deal on, I dont see a problem with $3k being a rough number for parts alone. As I said I am prepared to go over if need be, but not because of overkill products I don't need for my goals. What do you not get about I don't need a turbo, injectors, etc capable of 700hp? 400-450 is all I want so why pay more for those parts that will get me more than I want, doesn't make sense when there has to be parts that cost less that are better suited to MY application. I'm not saying I want an ebay turbo kit, yall are not understanding. I want to piece together a quality kit that will ONLY produce 400hp without the extra costs.
Last edited by AT1222; 04-28-2013 at 02:44 PM.
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#9
See my first post, that's what I was asking, what parts will get the job done. Would one recommend holset, master power, or another turbo for cost effectiveness? Or should I look for a ___ used turbo and rebuild it?
Will walbro 255lph and 550 or 600cc injectors be adequate for a 400hp HR?
Will walbro 255lph and 550 or 600cc injectors be adequate for a 400hp HR?
#10
yes
no
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the time needed to fit charge piping is not trivial. if you have someone will to spend 30-50++ hours in fabrication for free!!, then sure you can do it for super cheap.
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yes
the time needed to fit charge piping is not trivial. if you have someone will to spend 30-50++ hours in fabrication for free!!, then sure you can do it for super cheap.
#11
holset hx35 $500
turbo oil pump $400, you will need this for something like sasha's kit or anything mounting the turbo oil drain equal level or lower to the oil pan
$250 for treadstone intercooler
$100 roughly for walbro 255
injectors $520 for deatschwerks $550 for rc
$1k for clutch
$250 for bov
$270 for tial mvs
$500-700 for tune even with osiris most places still charge that just to tune it
flanges? expect $100-500 just for these depending on final design and type they arnt even close to cheap.
air filter $30-50
t bolt clamps expect $50-300 depending on brand
silicone couplers another $100-400, again depending on brand and if you use and bend couplers those are espensive as hell($50 for the cheap ebay brand ones.)
right there your looking at over 4k and thats assuming your piping is 100% free in material and your "buddys" dont charge you anything for labor at all, and thats assuming you have wheels and tires that can already handle it which i doubt. your buddy who did it for 1k has a much smaller engine and without a doubt is using the ebay crap you want to stay away from and even then i highly doubt it, he just isnt counting all the small **** he had to buy. a hx35 is about $500, a hx30 as pitiful as it is costs double that despite being a smaller turbo, a single hx25 is $300 and flows so little you will probably loose power installing it on your car.
we will be *******s all day long because you arnt even the 1000 person to ask the same stupid *** question.
comparing yourself to sasha? he is a dealer who gets that stuff at a dealer price, you wont get that price. he also dosnt have to worry about your clutch solution, labor to install it, wheels and tires, tune or fuel system and software for that 5k2 he charges for the basic kit, the full kit that he sells or 6450 ill bet money its mid 5k in parts for him mayby low 5k
turbo oil pump $400, you will need this for something like sasha's kit or anything mounting the turbo oil drain equal level or lower to the oil pan
$250 for treadstone intercooler
$100 roughly for walbro 255
injectors $520 for deatschwerks $550 for rc
$1k for clutch
$250 for bov
$270 for tial mvs
$500-700 for tune even with osiris most places still charge that just to tune it
flanges? expect $100-500 just for these depending on final design and type they arnt even close to cheap.
air filter $30-50
t bolt clamps expect $50-300 depending on brand
silicone couplers another $100-400, again depending on brand and if you use and bend couplers those are espensive as hell($50 for the cheap ebay brand ones.)
right there your looking at over 4k and thats assuming your piping is 100% free in material and your "buddys" dont charge you anything for labor at all, and thats assuming you have wheels and tires that can already handle it which i doubt. your buddy who did it for 1k has a much smaller engine and without a doubt is using the ebay crap you want to stay away from and even then i highly doubt it, he just isnt counting all the small **** he had to buy. a hx35 is about $500, a hx30 as pitiful as it is costs double that despite being a smaller turbo, a single hx25 is $300 and flows so little you will probably loose power installing it on your car.
we will be *******s all day long because you arnt even the 1000 person to ask the same stupid *** question.
comparing yourself to sasha? he is a dealer who gets that stuff at a dealer price, you wont get that price. he also dosnt have to worry about your clutch solution, labor to install it, wheels and tires, tune or fuel system and software for that 5k2 he charges for the basic kit, the full kit that he sells or 6450 ill bet money its mid 5k in parts for him mayby low 5k
Last edited by jerryd87; 04-28-2013 at 09:30 PM.
#12
I'm not including the price of the clutch for the turbo kit. I knew that would be extra. And yes, I have 275 front tires and 305 rear tires currently which should be enough don't ya think? Again, wasn't including the cost of the tune in the kit, knew that would be extra and I already have osiris making 305whp NA and 367 on nitrous... will just need a re-tune. So it seems like it CAN be done for around that...
Last edited by AT1222; 04-29-2013 at 12:34 AM.