Procharger turbo-supercharger combination or Stillen supercharger? Both have around 350 bhp.
Does anybody have any experience with one of these or both systems? Wich one do you prefer and why?
Or maybe you have something even better for me??

thnkx

 

well the stillen is only around 320-325 and thats with the 7lb pulley and A/W intercooled.......something better........Yes............a E55..........LOL................ .....Check out the Vortech Kits

 

Stllen is great for tourqe. Procharger will yield alot of top end HP but not as much low end tourqe as Stillen. Procharger sounds really cool as well. Vortec seems to be great but for maxium power and tourqe some tuning is required by an experienced Vortec tuner. No reputable tuners for Vortec around me at the time I purchased my procharger. Procharger is easy and there are now several different methods for fuel delivery and timing retard. Some of which don't require any tuning by the driver at all!

MIKE

 

lol.....sorta

 

Unless you do something about the lack of timing control on the ATI, might be an expensive way to go. Or as my buddy(shop manager) asked me yesterday at his Infiniti dealer... 'The customer said it started running rough and smoking alot....' ouch!! I have driven both and like the torque of a roots for daily driving... instant power. If you are in Belgium I believe Middlehurst Motorsports (England) is a Stillen dealer... and Skylines too!

 

IMO, the highest peak horsepower isn't always best.

The latest issue of Sports Z Magazine has a supercharger shootout along with dyno charts. You might want to pick up a copy.

The dayno charts can be downloaded off their website. I did a comparsion and was certainly surprised at the results.


DaveO

 

Ya but compare the stillen to a well tuned Vortech..........cant touch it..........at 60 additional rwhp after tuned correctly, and very easy i might add, the vortech unit would walk away from a stillen unit. The sport Z magazine must of had some eratic untuned cars on there dyno for that comparison cause my car untuned is light years better than what i saw on the dyno as far as dyno curves go.

 

Go with the VORTECH...no question about it. I have seen 380wrhp just with proper tuning on the basic kit. You can't beat that...and the price is right..about $4000 for the kit.

 

So, what do you mean by "proper tuning"? And how much does it cost? Does this mean that the Vortech is less reliable & more hassle to own that a Stillen??? Seriously.

 

all it means is VORTECH ships you the kit running very very rich........thus taking away alot of hp.........after spending oh say 200.00 in tuning (Modifying A/F by laptop in SS Box supplied by Vortech) to raise the A/F levels to a perfect 11.5:1 you can gain anywhere from 40-70rwhp without changing the stock boost

 

Fluidz-

Actually, the Stage-3 Intercooled Supercharger Setup averages 335HP at the wheels and adds over 87-lb/ft of torque. See Sam SKK's posts. We also offer some great gains throughout the RPM band & gains at low RPMs as opposed to having only peak hp at 6000rpm - or right as you hit your brakes. The question is really "when do you want to feel the power" - "all the time, when you want it. Or at the end of the push".

Here is a little secret: If you add the headers, boost goes back to 6lbs., HP goes up but/and it is still a warrantiable legal system!

At the flywheel both are over 405HP at the flywheel. The headers add a nice bump and keep you within legal & warranty 'specs'.

Just saw that you are running the vortech - So, please don't take this post the wrong way. We have VERY close ties with Vortech. But they truly are very different systems. Glad you are happy with your setup.

AC-

 

We play nicely with each other.

 

Yes the Stillen unit is very nice, but the real downfall in my opinion isnt the hp ratings, its that god awful HOOD!!!!!......You either love it or hate it, and me hates it......

 

I was just looking at Stillen's website and I have a question. I was a little confused by the wording...

How much rwhp should I expect from the Stage 1?
How much rwhp should I expect from the Stage 2?
Where is your stage 3 on the webpage? What are the specs on it?

I like the idea of the higher ft/lb, so I am leaning towards the Stillen... just wanting to get some more details!

I thought I heard a rumor of a Stillen without having to modify the hood? Is this accurate????

 

C5DEMON -

Sorry to have made you wait for so long to get back with you. We are certainly in the 'busy season'. Nevertheless, here are the numbers you can expect to the rear wheels:

Stage 1 STILLEN Supercharger: 305hp
Stage 2 STILLEN Intercooled Supercharger: 316
Stage 3 STILLEN Intercooled Supercharger: 335

**These numbers are what customers are posting on the this and other boards. SKK100 is a great example and person to ask about the benefits of the Stage 3 kit if you want to talk to a customer about it - to get their impression.

The Stage 3 Setup is as simple as changing the pulley out for a 7-lb pulley. It's a very potent upgrade for under $100!

 

So can you define which stage is under "warranty" and what the MSRP is for each stage and what products are provided in that package. I must say that while you have articles on your site with some details, the product listing provides zero details as to what the product offers. I think you could do alot by just simply providing the details of the package when site visitors reach the product page. The nature of the content of your site has always appeared to be marketing driven, but really needs to find the line between marketing and facts. Sorry to rant, but getting things here and there on a forum won't convince much people to buy nor will it build the brand loyalty that I know you are looking for. And save the, well the product stands for itself...actually no it doesn't all products need the touch and feel language that a web site can provide.

My 2 cents and only my expert opinion. Really don't take this wrong, I'm very interesting in your offering, but lack of details on the site only drives me to seek out the other offerings which have provided ample details.

Scott

 

I too would like to learn more about what on the Stage 1, 2, and 3 is or is not warrantied. And unfortunately I also can't find quality pictures and close-ups of the complete hood you offer, both fiberglass and carbon fiber. Is it possible to post a couple of each? And sorry to ask but I, like C5DEMON, heard the rumor of a Stillen SC that doesn't require the hood modification. Is this for fact or fiction? Thanks for any information you can share.

 

Alex - While U're in the answering mode , I recall reading somewhere that U'll soon have a Stage 4 available. Care to shed some light on this??
FWIW - I have decided to go with your S/C on my G35 because of the instant throttle response that a Roots style blower provides. I spend most of my driving down in the 3-4k rpm range anyway so I'll gladly trade off superior top-end horsepower of the T/T's for the Roots low end grunt. Since I already have a complete Borla exhaust system that's one less change I'll need to make. It also seems that your kit is very installer-friendly & I don't recall many threads concerning tuning issues on the Stillen kit versus the Greddy, PE, ATI & Vortech systems ( all quality products, IMHO ). I'd also like some quality pics of the hoods ( C/F & F/G ) so I can make that decision. TIA!!

Gene

 

Our STILLEN Supercharger Systems are covered under our optional 3year/36,000 mile warranty when boost is 6lbs. or under. That effectively means that stage 1 and stage 2 are warrantiable because they run 6-lbs. of boost.

CARB legalities: The Stage-2 Intercooled system with a 6-lb. pulley is CARB Exempt and 50-State Legal.

The descriptions for the SC systems on the site are up-to-date. We were having a data formatting issue that is now fixed. We are also now adding line break capabilities to our data tables. This will help organize the descriptions and make them a little easier to read.

Thanks for the review, though. Your input is not without merit!

Regards,

AC

 

Gene -

Thanks for the review. I'm glad that we have earned your attention. To answer your question as much as I can at this time (the production system doesn't exist yet):
We are constantly pushing the envelope much further than what is in production - just like any high-performance company. We are developing a Stage-4 kit, which is likely months away, that will offer well over 400hp. As you can imagine, this will be a race-only, off-road setup, but will build upon our system that exists currently. Steve [Millen] designed the system in such a way that you can continue to build upon it. Now, the 64-cubic inch unit that we use [compressor] has its limits, as anything does, but we're not there yet.

So, we're still a ways off on that kit being introduced into the market. If extended warranty and street-legal'ness' are issues, then don't wait on this kit. You will want to invest in Stage-2 system.

AC