Single Turbo 350Z
09-15-2004, 08:04 PM
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what is the piping made of from the stock exhaust manifold to the turbo? and how thick is it? gauge?
Will it withstand the weight of the turbo? or is the piping bolted on to the block somewhere to prevent cracking?
where is the wastegate located?
Will it withstand the weight of the turbo? or is the piping bolted on to the block somewhere to prevent cracking?
where is the wastegate located?
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09-15-2004, 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Juztin
I dont necessarily expect the the boost response to get any better with such a turbo, it's not like it's small to begin with to help in its spool up much less the tubing length. But none-the-less, I'm at elevation where even slow cars that are turbo'd can give a N/A Z a run for their money if not spank. The kit looks decent enough, but 6k for a high hp/tq band from 5000-6600 looks worse than just going with a greddy TT and getting gobs of low end power. I'm sure it'll be one helluva kick in the pants when that boost creeps up within 800 rpm, and I'd get this kit, if it werent so expensive. Such a power band I'd pay around 3.5k (including install) for, not 6, no way. Such a single T kit price would potentially make a killing on the market IMO. Your only getting half the fun as a TT kit, why have to pay the same price? I'd also rather have a an option on the tunability with a "tuner" kit available where fuel is the sole responsibility of the person buying the kit.
Just some things to think of, and I understand and appreciate the R&D going into the kit. But the performance doesnt justify the $/hp ratio at all. I definately look foward to keeping an eye out for this kit and hope you guys get it all squared away, but I definately don't expect the boost characterstics to get any better than it is. For what you've done, it's definately good, and regarding an all out street race, well you'll be in the 5200-6600rpm band where all the power is, so I definately figure it'll be pretty damn fast.
I dont necessarily expect the the boost response to get any better with such a turbo, it's not like it's small to begin with to help in its spool up much less the tubing length. But none-the-less, I'm at elevation where even slow cars that are turbo'd can give a N/A Z a run for their money if not spank. The kit looks decent enough, but 6k for a high hp/tq band from 5000-6600 looks worse than just going with a greddy TT and getting gobs of low end power. I'm sure it'll be one helluva kick in the pants when that boost creeps up within 800 rpm, and I'd get this kit, if it werent so expensive. Such a power band I'd pay around 3.5k (including install) for, not 6, no way. Such a single T kit price would potentially make a killing on the market IMO. Your only getting half the fun as a TT kit, why have to pay the same price? I'd also rather have a an option on the tunability with a "tuner" kit available where fuel is the sole responsibility of the person buying the kit.
Just some things to think of, and I understand and appreciate the R&D going into the kit. But the performance doesnt justify the $/hp ratio at all. I definately look foward to keeping an eye out for this kit and hope you guys get it all squared away, but I definately don't expect the boost characterstics to get any better than it is. For what you've done, it's definately good, and regarding an all out street race, well you'll be in the 5200-6600rpm band where all the power is, so I definately figure it'll be pretty damn fast.
You can get one for ~$5200 from a dealer
09-15-2004, 09:38 PM
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I'm guessing some of this backlash and animousity is the reason it has been difficult to get new information..... not to make any insinutation that it is unfounded, as I do feel the point made regarding extended tubing from the header is the differnece in performance, I do feel that we will see a healthy improvement in the final results and will end up with a welcome, and all be it viable addition to the FI market. I also agree that it should be damn fast. 
The more the merrier.
The more the merrier.
09-16-2004, 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
The final price hasn't been released yet. ~$5000 MSRP usually mean ~$4000-4200 street price or less. HKS MSRP was ~$7000.
You can get one for ~$5200 from a dealer
The final price hasn't been released yet. ~$5000 MSRP usually mean ~$4000-4200 street price or less. HKS MSRP was ~$7000.
You can get one for ~$5200 from a dealer
09-16-2004, 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by accordfreak
what is the piping made of from the stock exhaust manifold to the turbo? and how thick is it? gauge?
Will it withstand the weight of the turbo? or is the piping bolted on to the block somewhere to prevent cracking?
where is the wastegate located?
what is the piping made of from the stock exhaust manifold to the turbo? and how thick is it? gauge?
Will it withstand the weight of the turbo? or is the piping bolted on to the block somewhere to prevent cracking?
where is the wastegate located?
09-16-2004, 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by ColecatZ
I'm guessing some of this backlash and animousity is the reason it has been difficult to get new information..... not to make any insinutation that it is unfounded, as I do feel the point made regarding extended tubing from the header is the differnece in performance, I do feel that we will see a healthy improvement in the final results and will end up with a welcome, and all be it viable addition to the FI market. I also agree that it should be damn fast.
I'm guessing some of this backlash and animousity is the reason it has been difficult to get new information..... not to make any insinutation that it is unfounded, as I do feel the point made regarding extended tubing from the header is the differnece in performance, I do feel that we will see a healthy improvement in the final results and will end up with a welcome, and all be it viable addition to the FI market. I also agree that it should be damn fast.
The fundamnetal design choices that forced the exhaust piping to be "long" are:
a) the engine is "V" configuration, so when compare to a single turbo "I" configuration such as a Supra.
b) the snail needs to be mounted under the OEM hood in very limited space, hence it must be mounted high and assymetric to the engine center. This mandates that a long cross pipe be used to adjoin the two banks, then take a circuitous route up to the snail.
c) The OEM exhaust manifolds are retained, Done for ease of installation and reduced cost , this puts the exhuast port at a geographically much less than ideal distance from the snail.
Given the design objectives of this kit : lower cost, easier install de-install, neverto be CARBed: it is unlikey that any major plumbing changes could be made to "significantly" improve the spool slope..
So it is what it is , I just don't want anyone to think that this was a "performance" driven design. Boost lag has always been the nemesis of dual purpose (street/strip) Turbo system, and Turbonetics knows this as well as any developers.
09-16-2004, 04:05 PM
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Re: manifolds
Originally posted by G3po
I hope my comments haven't been taken as animosity towards Turbonetics. Options are always good for the consumer IMO.
The fundamnetal design choices that forced the exhaust piping to be "long" are:
a) the engine is "V" configuration, so when compare to a single turbo "I" configuration such as a Supra.
b) the snail needs to be mounted under the OEM hood in very limited space, hence it must be mounted high and assymetric to the engine center. This mandates that a long cross pipe be used to adjoin the two banks, then take a circuitous route up to the snail.
c) The OEM exhaust manifolds are retained, Done for ease of installation and reduced cost , this puts the exhuast port at a geographically much less than ideal distance from the snail.
Given the design objectives of this kit : lower cost, easier install de-install, neverto be CARBed: it is unlikey that any major plumbing changes could be made to "significantly" improve the spool slope..
So it is what it is , I just don't want anyone to think that this was a "performance" driven design. Boost lag has always been the nemesis of dual purpose (street/strip) Turbo system, and Turbonetics knows this as well as any developers.
I hope my comments haven't been taken as animosity towards Turbonetics. Options are always good for the consumer IMO.
The fundamnetal design choices that forced the exhaust piping to be "long" are:
a) the engine is "V" configuration, so when compare to a single turbo "I" configuration such as a Supra.
b) the snail needs to be mounted under the OEM hood in very limited space, hence it must be mounted high and assymetric to the engine center. This mandates that a long cross pipe be used to adjoin the two banks, then take a circuitous route up to the snail.
c) The OEM exhaust manifolds are retained, Done for ease of installation and reduced cost , this puts the exhuast port at a geographically much less than ideal distance from the snail.
Given the design objectives of this kit : lower cost, easier install de-install, neverto be CARBed: it is unlikey that any major plumbing changes could be made to "significantly" improve the spool slope..
So it is what it is , I just don't want anyone to think that this was a "performance" driven design. Boost lag has always been the nemesis of dual purpose (street/strip) Turbo system, and Turbonetics knows this as well as any developers.
09-16-2004, 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by accordfreak
for those who are wondering how it's routed.. i finally figured how it's all connected. hopefully this will give a general idea..
for those who are wondering how it's routed.. i finally figured how it's all connected. hopefully this will give a general idea..
09-16-2004, 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by gq_626
Where is the AC compressor going to be located in this? It's hard to tell from this picture...
Can we assume that you get to keep your AC?
Where is the AC compressor going to be located in this? It's hard to tell from this picture...
Can we assume that you get to keep your AC?
09-17-2004, 07:12 AM
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I'm just curious how close the kit's piping runs to the stock manifolds. I want to know if my DC Headers would work and or benefit this kit.
take some close up pics if possible.....
take some close up pics if possible.....
09-17-2004, 11:41 PM
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Heres the link...made a new thread as this one was cluttered...
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=92047
https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....threadid=92047
09-17-2004, 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by ColecatZ
I'm just curious how close the kit's piping runs to the stock manifolds. I want to know if my DC Headers would work and or benefit this kit.
take some close up pics if possible.....
I'm just curious how close the kit's piping runs to the stock manifolds. I want to know if my DC Headers would work and or benefit this kit.
take some close up pics if possible.....
09-23-2004, 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
Well I wasn't able to get any under car pics but from what the designer told me this kit just ties into the header outlet and takes the room/place of the cats. I'm pretty sure aftermarket headers would work. Brad might be able to chime in here with some better answers.
Well I wasn't able to get any under car pics but from what the designer told me this kit just ties into the header outlet and takes the room/place of the cats. I'm pretty sure aftermarket headers would work. Brad might be able to chime in here with some better answers.
09-23-2004, 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by 350Now
That was my questions a couple of post back as well as the belts and pulley up front, but it was stated that it all fit but wasn't sure if the AC is retained in the factory location???
That was my questions a couple of post back as well as the belts and pulley up front, but it was stated that it all fit but wasn't sure if the AC is retained in the factory location???
09-27-2004, 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by Turbonetics
Assuming the headers are fit form and function meaning the flange location are the same as stock everything should work fine...however not having actually done it...a ginny pig would be needed.
Assuming the headers are fit form and function meaning the flange location are the same as stock everything should work fine...however not having actually done it...a ginny pig would be needed.
09-27-2004, 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by g356gear
The headers place the flanges in the same position as stock so the stock cats can be retained.
The headers place the flanges in the same position as stock so the stock cats can be retained.
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09-27-2004, 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by ChrisMCagle
Ok, I'm confused now. Are you saying that we CAN use cats with this turbo setup?
-Chris
Ok, I'm confused now. Are you saying that we CAN use cats with this turbo setup?
-Chris
09-27-2004, 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
No the discussion is whether aftermarket headers will work ok on this kit. The answer is that as long as the outlet flange of the header is in the same location as stock then yes. The point was then made that the stock cats have a tranny brace and the question was posed if the new piping that replaces the factory cats have those braces.
No the discussion is whether aftermarket headers will work ok on this kit. The answer is that as long as the outlet flange of the header is in the same location as stock then yes. The point was then made that the stock cats have a tranny brace and the question was posed if the new piping that replaces the factory cats have those braces.