Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit..Pics/Videos
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Yes I am sure they can. When you send the ECU to them I would give them a call to let them know what you will have and also I'd write it down and include it in the box with your ECU.
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Just for those who don't know (or understand what's required for CARB approval) you can only apply for an CARB EO if the Factory Nissan cats are retained in the original Factory position.
I am sure we all know(whoever has been following the Turbonetics Threads) that you said it before in one of the other threads.. just remember APS has no CARB EO# either one thing is applying and the other optaining..
Turbonetics is a pretty big company and they will do whatever it takes to get this done..
I am also glad that Turbonetics is keeping quiet about alot of things lately..Surprises are good
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Originally posted by 97modman
I am sure we all know(whoever has been following the Turbonetics Threads) that you said it before in one of the other threads.. just remember APS has no CARB EO# either one thing is applying and the other optaining..
Turbonetics is a pretty big company and they will do whatever it takes to get this done..
I am sure we all know(whoever has been following the Turbonetics Threads) that you said it before in one of the other threads.. just remember APS has no CARB EO# either one thing is applying and the other optaining..
Turbonetics is a pretty big company and they will do whatever it takes to get this done..
Doesn't matter if you're Microsoft (the rules pertaining to CARB EO applies equally to large or small companies) the fact is you must retain the stock Nissan cats in the stock factory position.
This is a prerequiste not a option if you're applying for a CARB EO for a FI system.
Fact is we can apply (and will appy) for a CARB EO as we have retained the stock cats in the stock position, APS has a better than a reasonable chance to obtain a CARB EO where as a single turbo approach with the factory cats removed and or the position changed has ZERO chance of obtaining a CARB EO.
I have a good deal of respect for Turbonectics as a company though this does not alter the fact that the single turbo system approach has no chance of meeting CARB's requirements.
Thanks
Peter
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Originally posted by APS
I'm only trying to help out the guys so they're clear on all of the facts pertaining to the CARB EO on a turbocharged Z.
Doesn't matter if you're Microsoft (the rules pertaining to CARB EO applies equally to large or small companies) the fact is you must retain the stock Nissan cats in the stock factory position.
This is a prerequiste not a option if you're applying for a CARB EO for a FI system.
Fact is we can apply (and will appy) for a CARB EO as we have retained the stock cats in the stock position, APS has a better than a reasonable chance to obtain a CARB EO where as a single turbo approach with the factory cats removed and or the position changed has ZERO chance of obtaining a CARB EO.
I have a good deal of respect for Turbonectics as a company though this does not alter the fact that the single turbo system approach has no chance of meeting CARB's requirements.
Thanks
Peter
I'm only trying to help out the guys so they're clear on all of the facts pertaining to the CARB EO on a turbocharged Z.
Doesn't matter if you're Microsoft (the rules pertaining to CARB EO applies equally to large or small companies) the fact is you must retain the stock Nissan cats in the stock factory position.
This is a prerequiste not a option if you're applying for a CARB EO for a FI system.
Fact is we can apply (and will appy) for a CARB EO as we have retained the stock cats in the stock position, APS has a better than a reasonable chance to obtain a CARB EO where as a single turbo approach with the factory cats removed and or the position changed has ZERO chance of obtaining a CARB EO.
I have a good deal of respect for Turbonectics as a company though this does not alter the fact that the single turbo system approach has no chance of meeting CARB's requirements.
Thanks
Peter
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Right so I think what he was saying is WE ALREADY HEARD YOU. YOU ALREADY TOLD US THAT...I'm apologize if I seem a bit perturbed
Right so I think what he was saying is WE ALREADY HEARD YOU. YOU ALREADY TOLD US THAT...I'm apologize if I seem a bit perturbed
Geez they way you post anyone would think you own turbonectics, all I'm doing is discussing what's possible from a CARB EO view point..............I believe that some of the guys are interested in facts not fiction.
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Originally posted by Z.Shifter
=( APS, how close are you in getting ur kit carb approved?
=( APS, how close are you in getting ur kit carb approved?
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Originally posted by APS
Man take it easy.............this is what a good forum is all about.............sharing good tech information.
Geez they way you post anyone would think you own turbonectics, all I'm doing is discussing what's possible from a CARB EO view point..............I believe that some of the guys are interested in facts not fiction.
Peter
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Man take it easy.............this is what a good forum is all about.............sharing good tech information.
Geez they way you post anyone would think you own turbonectics, all I'm doing is discussing what's possible from a CARB EO view point..............I believe that some of the guys are interested in facts not fiction.
Peter
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Originally posted by MIAPLAYA
Look man, I know what a forum is about. And yes people are all about sharing good tech info.
Look man, I know what a forum is about. And yes people are all about sharing good tech info.
Why do you feel that I cannot contribute to this tech thread and help out guys with tech information? Do I not have the same rights as anyone else on this forum?
What makes a forum great is when you have a balanced view of all of the technical facts, I don't make CARB regulations though we all have to abide by the same regs to achieve a CARB EO.
When you stop posting incorrect information about the CARB EO process I won't have to continually correct your incorrect statement.
I believe that the guys in California in particular will appreciate knowing the true facts about the CARB EO issue.
Thanks
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Originally posted by APS
I have greaty faith in Brad and Turbonectics though the fact is they will need to pull a rabbit out of the hat if they believes that this single turbo which removes the stock Nissan cats can meet CARB requirements and gain an CARB EO.
Why do you feel that I cannot contribute to this tech thread and help out guys with tech information? Do I not have the same rights as anyone else on this forum?
What makes a forum great is when you have a balanced view of all of the technical facts, I don't make CARB regulations though we all have to abide by the same regs to achieve a CARB EO.
When you stop posting incorrect information about the CARB EO process I won't have to continually correct your incorrect statement.
I believe that the guys in California in particular will appreciate knowing the true facts about the CARB EO issue.
Thanks
Peter
I have greaty faith in Brad and Turbonectics though the fact is they will need to pull a rabbit out of the hat if they believes that this single turbo which removes the stock Nissan cats can meet CARB requirements and gain an CARB EO.
Why do you feel that I cannot contribute to this tech thread and help out guys with tech information? Do I not have the same rights as anyone else on this forum?
What makes a forum great is when you have a balanced view of all of the technical facts, I don't make CARB regulations though we all have to abide by the same regs to achieve a CARB EO.
When you stop posting incorrect information about the CARB EO process I won't have to continually correct your incorrect statement.
I believe that the guys in California in particular will appreciate knowing the true facts about the CARB EO issue.
Thanks
Peter
PS: I live in Cali hoss
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guys this should be held over pms, its not the kind of thread that should have arguing, no "VS" any where in the title.
peter hes just trying to say its bad form in alot more words.
peter hes just trying to say its bad form in alot more words.
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peter hes just trying to say its bad form in alot more words.
peter hes just trying to say its bad form in alot more words.
I've spent a lot of time investigating this CARB issue for the 350 Z Turbo application and I think it's worth sharing this info with forum members as I will with Brad when I see him at SEMA next week.
Bottom line a forum is all about good information and the more factual the information is the more valuable the forum is for members.
Peter
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Hey Peter if I just want to clear this up because i think most of us forum members are confused with the Carb EO process...The turbo has to be connected after the cats, not before right? And we can use whatever cats we want?
"Fact is we can apply (and will appy) for a CARB EO as we have retained the stock cats in the stock position"
"the fact is they will need to pull a rabbit out of the hat if they believes that this single turbo which removes the stock Nissan cats can meet CARB requirements and gain an CARB EO."
“Just for those who don't know (or understand what's required for CARB approval) you can only apply for an CARB EO if the Factory Nissan cats are retained in the original Factory position. ”
“We locate the Twin Garrett dual ball beraing Turbos pre cats, this way we can retain the cats in the stock position and with any luck this won't reduce the cat light up time- which I hope will provide APS with every chance of gaining a CARB exemption order for the APS TT system. ”
“not being able to retain the Nissan cats in the factory position may well prove to be the biggest downfall of the large single turbo approach, if CARB approval is considered important. ”
“Yeah I agree it's best to have the turbos positioned pre cat from a spool and emission point of view”
I’m still really confused how this all works….
"Fact is we can apply (and will appy) for a CARB EO as we have retained the stock cats in the stock position"
"the fact is they will need to pull a rabbit out of the hat if they believes that this single turbo which removes the stock Nissan cats can meet CARB requirements and gain an CARB EO."
“Just for those who don't know (or understand what's required for CARB approval) you can only apply for an CARB EO if the Factory Nissan cats are retained in the original Factory position. ”
“We locate the Twin Garrett dual ball beraing Turbos pre cats, this way we can retain the cats in the stock position and with any luck this won't reduce the cat light up time- which I hope will provide APS with every chance of gaining a CARB exemption order for the APS TT system. ”
“not being able to retain the Nissan cats in the factory position may well prove to be the biggest downfall of the large single turbo approach, if CARB approval is considered important. ”
“Yeah I agree it's best to have the turbos positioned pre cat from a spool and emission point of view”
I’m still really confused how this all works….
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We locate the Twin Garrett dual ball beraing Turbos pre cats, this way we can retain the cats in the stock position and with any luck this won't reduce the cat light up time- which I hope will provide APS with every chance of gaining a CARB exemption order for the APS TT system
I've spent a lot of time investigating this CARB issue for the 350 Z Turbo application and I think it's worth sharing this info with forum members as I will with Brad when I see him at SEMA next week.
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
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Originally posted by 97modman
If my memory is correct aren't all turbos located before the cats?? every turbo i have seen or installed have been pre-cats...nothin new here. you make it sound like Turbonetics has the Turbine mounted after the cats..lets get all the facts straight here..
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
If my memory is correct aren't all turbos located before the cats?? every turbo i have seen or installed have been pre-cats...nothin new here. you make it sound like Turbonetics has the Turbine mounted after the cats..lets get all the facts straight here..
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
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Originally posted by ihatethatbobbarker
didnt know the dude useto own Fmax! thats cool
didnt know the dude useto own Fmax! thats cool
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CATS
Originally posted by 97modman
If my memory is correct aren't all turbos located before the cats?? every turbo i have seen or installed have been pre-cats...nothin new here. you make it sound like Turbonetics has the Turbine mounted after the cats..lets get all the facts straight here..
Sorry but, your memory does not serve you well . TN has "mandated" removal of the CATs. Ho can you be "pre-CAT when they no longer exists?
If TN they finds a way to replace them back into their "exact OEM location" , (would at least require custom exhaust manifiolds (can't use the OEM ones as they do right now), then they could apply for a CARB EO. Passing is a whole other story .
Howver; given the circuitous path which must be taken by the exhuast gas before it can ever reach the CATs.
Ever wonder why the OEM places a pre-cat so damn close ot the manifold, 'cause the CATS need very a very high EGT to function.
The lower the heat seen by the CATs the less effective the Catalyt reaction
Bascially Peter from APS the most first hand stand knowlege with Turbo system design than any or the "Monday night quarterbacks" applying to this thread.
So, I really wish you'd stop giving him a bunch of crap, he is only discussing the technology and not bashing TN in any fashion.
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
If my memory is correct aren't all turbos located before the cats?? every turbo i have seen or installed have been pre-cats...nothin new here. you make it sound like Turbonetics has the Turbine mounted after the cats..lets get all the facts straight here..
Sorry but, your memory does not serve you well . TN has "mandated" removal of the CATs. Ho can you be "pre-CAT when they no longer exists?
If TN they finds a way to replace them back into their "exact OEM location" , (would at least require custom exhaust manifiolds (can't use the OEM ones as they do right now), then they could apply for a CARB EO. Passing is a whole other story .
Howver; given the circuitous path which must be taken by the exhuast gas before it can ever reach the CATs.
Ever wonder why the OEM places a pre-cat so damn close ot the manifold, 'cause the CATS need very a very high EGT to function.
The lower the heat seen by the CATs the less effective the Catalyt reaction
Bascially Peter from APS the most first hand stand knowlege with Turbo system design than any or the "Monday night quarterbacks" applying to this thread.
So, I really wish you'd stop giving him a bunch of crap, he is only discussing the technology and not bashing TN in any fashion.
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
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Originally posted by 97modman
If my memory is correct aren't all turbos located before the cats?? every turbo i have seen or installed have been pre-cats...nothin new here. you make it sound like Turbonetics has the Turbine mounted after the cats..lets get all the facts straight here..
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
If my memory is correct aren't all turbos located before the cats?? every turbo i have seen or installed have been pre-cats...nothin new here. you make it sound like Turbonetics has the Turbine mounted after the cats..lets get all the facts straight here..
And I am sure Turbonetics has also, as they are located in California, who better to know the CARB EO laws..Turbonetics has been around for years, Sh*t they make their own turbos and have a great history and record in racing.. you make them sound as if they just got in the business last year and are in it to make a quick buck..
97mod dude ,memory does not serve you well . TN has "mandated" removal of the CATs. Ho can you be "pre-CAT when they no longer exists?
If TN they finds a way to replace them back into their "exact OEM location" , (would at least require custom exhaust manifiolds (can't use the OEM ones as they do right now), then they could apply for a CARB EO. Passing is a whole other story .
However; given the circuitous path which must be taken by the exhuast gas before it can ever reach the CATs. Ever wonder why the OEM places a pre-cat so damn close ot the manifold, 'cause the CATS need very a very high EGT to function.
The lower the heat seen by the CATs the less effective the Catalyt reaction
Basicially Peter from APS the most first hand stand knowlege with Turbo system design than any or the "Monday night quarterbacks" applying to this thread.
So, I really wish you'd stop giving him a bunch of crap, he is only discussing the technology and not bashing TN in any fashion.