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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 02:00 PM
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My guess is that there was detonation that that cylinder which flattened the electrode to the tip and damaged the piston. Since the electrode was touching the tip there was 0 spark in that cylinder. No spark means that none of the fuel that entered the cylinder was ever burned. This created a situation called "fuel wash" which basically washed all of the oil from the cylinder walls allowing the rings to create the scratches. Any loose pieces of piston probably just bounced around creating little chip marks.
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by booger
I recorded my first 2 runs last night with the R4 .I was hitting 9.5psi at 7,000rpm and that is when I crossed the 1/4 mile mark . @108.6mph . I do plan on pulling a couple of the easy to get to plugs today...will post the results of my findings
If you've been keeping up with the FI issues on this car you have to have known that 9.5lbs boost, 7000rpm, and stock internals weren't going to mix, right?
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Old Sep 27, 2004 | 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by booger
Well...just got the call....the #4 cyl is bad . The plug electrode had been compressed . Dealer said he stuck a scope down it to the cyl. and said you can see bad scatches on the walls .How can the cyl come up and crush the plug ? Im going right now to take a look at it .
The same deal happened to my number 6 or 5 cylinder. The sparkplug tip was touching the diode, or 0 gap. I however didnt have anything break off and was very lucky. Im still leaning towards rod stretch.
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 03:57 AM
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I would lean towards bigend bolts/fasteners stretch rather than the rods.

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 11:24 AM
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GUYS...guys....you need to listen to some of the others...this is a DETONATION issue.

The huge pressure spike slammed shut the spark plug ground strap to zero gap...classic sign of detonation NOT "rod stretch" or whatever.

If the ring land is fractured as in Enron Exec's pictures, definitely detonation.

You might want to READ this on why there is scuffing:
http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articl...ion/Page_3.php

On stock CR motors, you need to be running higher octane fuel, using water/alcohol injection, or if you don't mind sacrificing some power....serious retarding of the timing. Assuming you've figured out the fuel system and it's not running lean.

Gurgen was the "victim" of pre-ignition, while Booger and Enron Exec are victims of detonation.

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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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I believe mine was detonation.....I was only pulling 5 degrees at 9.5 psi at 7,000rpm I had 95 octane in it . I t was cooler that night than I have ever ran , and the boost got a little higher . It went at about 6,800rpm....had about 100 yards to go in the 1/4 mile run . I recorded the 2 runs prior to that....so I dont think I was quite at 9.5psi yet . I was passing the 1/4 mile at 7,000rpm @ 108.5 mph
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Apexi350z
if you can see scratchs on the wall, then it's gone

sorry to hear that..
newbie question here.. Depending on the depth of the scratches, can't the block be bored out to save the block? Just in time for a bigger diameter piston upgrade.
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Old Sep 28, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by booger
They didnt say what caused it......But that would be my guess...But I dont know chit......any other people doing short block besides SGP Racing ?........Bill
We are doing built short blocks, email or PM me for details and pricing info
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 03:11 AM
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new here so bear with me.
First off sorry to hear about your problem. I noticed a ticking noise within 30 miles of my procharger install, but couldn't find a decernable cause, the car felt strong and I ran it that way for 6k miles. Had the car looked at by 3 people on different occasions, verdict = no signs of detonation. 3k miles in I hit the rev limiter for the first and last time, heard a bang, but the car continued to run great. I was progressively using more and more oil but no blue smoke (it's used oil since new). Had it compression tested, one cylinder down at 160psi and one plug had vitually no gap. Changed plugs and 2k miles later one oils up (in the low cylinder) The car is now awaiting strip down and I'll post results later. Strange thing is with all this going on the car was still a flyer.
Hope I haven't done a hijack.
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by n10zt
newbie question here.. Depending on the depth of the scratches, can't the block be bored out to save the block? Just in time for a bigger diameter piston upgrade.
Usually 10-20 thousandths overbore will take out the fine scratches. If they are too deep the block would have to be sleeved.
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by IceY2K1Max
GUYS...guys....you need to listen to some of the others...this is a DETONATION issue.

The huge pressure spike slammed shut the spark plug ground strap to zero gap...classic sign of detonation NOT "rod stretch" or whatever.

If the ring land is fractured as in Enron Exec's pictures, definitely detonation.

You might want to READ this on why there is scuffing:
http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articl...ion/Page_3.php

On stock CR motors, you need to be running higher octane fuel, using water/alcohol injection, or if you don't mind sacrificing some power....serious retarding of the timing. Assuming you've figured out the fuel system and it's not running lean.

Gurgen was the "victim" of pre-ignition, while Booger and Enron Exec are victims of detonation.
I saw Enron pics and mine wasnt as bad from what I could see through the scope .We will see when we get it apart
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