You are all missing the point.

AAM did NOT have these made in China and they are obviously NOT mass producing them. Sure if they made 10,000 they could get them for cheap as hell... but even if they sold them for only $75 not even 500 of them would sell. You guys are crazy if you think that stuff sells in such mass.

 

All this talk about how much things cost to produce is pretty much a waste. Why? It's called SUPPLY AND DEMAND. This especially applies to new products, where there is limited availability and everyone wants one, then they will sell at a premium because the market will support that. It also allows the people that spent time in R&D to recoup some of that cost. Once all the initial hype is over and more companies have similar products, prices end up dropping to more realistic long term levels. Simple economics at work here, nothing more

So stop all the whining and go buy the damn gasket spacer if you can't wait =)

 

thank you!

 

I think that some guys are going to buy 12 of these spacers and stack them all up. Nah, the sales volume is not big enough for any kind of real discounts...not even close. You're right.

 

ya, you guys that need everything now hurry up and buy this damn gasket. that is what i have learned...its always more expensive when something first comes out....see what this thing cost a year from now and you will see quite a difference

 

^^duh... unsubscibes.... you guys put a woopin' on that dead horse.

 

Point taken. If this thing gives even 8 whp then I am gong to have to get one. I am over my negetivity on this spacer if gains are even half as much as the claims.

 

This guy is totally on target. I have always disputed the whole Crawford claim of air starved front cylinders. Do we really believe that in this age of extreme environmental and fuel economy regulation that Nissan engineers would intentionally allow 33% of the engine to be running rich? Until someone puts a multi-channel EGA on each exhaust header and maps the O2 content by cylinder over the RPM/load curve, any intake tweaking is pointless. Even if its true that 10% less air is getting to the front, Nissan has probably mapped the fuel to compensate. So if you increase the air to the front without an increase in fuel to those cylinders, you are lean and could be burning valves etc. Since a typical dyno only measures overal O2, the overlean cylinders would be masked over by the others. I would like to see someone do a full A/F analysis by cylinder on a stock motor. If the ratios are balanced (as I suspect it is), then its now a matter of trying to increase overall flow without upsetting the balance. That stock slope is there for a reason and its not to clear the hood.

 

Well, only issue there is that as far as I am aware Nissan ecu does not have individual injector control or knock control...it maps all cylinders at once.

you are right about the flow bench not always netting you gains...the most important thing is minimizing areas of pressure drop (of which there are several in the stock plenum), as well as increasing the velocity of the air as it moves from the plenum to the heads

 

(post removed as someone already made the point =)

 

How exactly is a $150 wheel more labor intensive than this spacer? The wheel is cast and painted...not hand assembled/welded and polished like some of the very expensive custom made wheels.

From what I gather, this spacer is made in house and NOT mass produced at some minimum wage foreign factory. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Why don't you have a coke and a smile + stop your whining!

 

after all that whining i signed up for the group buy....now the rest of you pony up to the table so we can get that great price

 

lol

 

good one!!

 

Gone for 3 days and look what happened to the thread.

Way out of hand.

Anyway, I may get in on this group buy tom. or the day after.

 

I'm feeling this also. If you look at the engine of some high end cars that make good power, they also have the same slope towards the end of the plenum, just more volume.

 

Very possibly true. This is a hard one to test. Then...maybe a flat spacer is the answer (not tapered).

 

Hm, an engine builder was telling me, that the more and more a dynojet is used in a day, the higher the dyno numbers will read, because the hotter everything gets, the easier it is to spin the roller.

Example... Apex Motor sports has a dyno day, and a Cobra dynos... I do not remember the exact numbers, but the owner came out dissapointed with the results. he walked over to the engine builder who told me this, and he told the cobra owner to let some other people make some runs, and to jump on the dyno again. So he did this, and gains 20-30rwhp on the same exact day, not to much later. He just let the dyno get some use.

Just made me wonder if this could be the cause of you gaining HP after doing so many runs like that.

Just a thought is all..

 

Regardless, it looks like a nice alternative to a whole new plenum.

Also wondering, the spacer would raise the point at which the throttle body inlet sits, could this cause issues with aftermarket intake fitment? maybe it is not enough of a raise to make a difference.

 

This is true to an extent with my experience... the dyno will read higher and higher until its up to operating temp, and from there it appears to be very solid and consistent. Before running a car I will drive on the dyno for a few minutes at high speed to warm up the machine and then I get consistent results.

The 03 Cobras are very inconsistent run to run as they are very sensitive to temperature and heat soak... with proper cooling between the runs and lots of airflow over the engine you can get consistent runs with the higher numbers they produce... we typically go 3-4 min between each run with 4 massive fans on the engine.

Dynojets can also be suspect to operator error in which the car is mounted to the dyno, which can reduce HP from excessive drag and friction at the tires.

-Charles