AAM SPEC Angled Plenum Spacer !Group Buy!
03-20-2005, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mikedZ33
I want to make sure that I understand this correctly. So you do not have to remove throttle body from the upper plenum. Just the remove the plastic air tube that connects to the throttle body and it will lift up freely.
if you have help it may not be necessary to remove the plastic tube....but since it only takes a few minutes its worth removing it anyways imo. this dramatically relieves the binding feeling you get when you try to lift the upper plenum with the plastic tube attached.
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03-20-2005, 02:39 PM
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AlSO...
Anyone experience a SES light?
I installed it yesterday drove about ~50 miles and today while I it was idling when I was cleaning out the back ~10min when I got back in the SES light was on.
The reason I left it idling was to try to get the ECU to learn the new air pattern because when the AC was off the would the engine fall into a really rough idle ~450 rpm's for about 20 seconds then recover. Now it wont fall into the low idle but the SES light is on. ??? Any ideas?
Anyone experience a SES light?
I installed it yesterday drove about ~50 miles and today while I it was idling when I was cleaning out the back ~10min when I got back in the SES light was on.
The reason I left it idling was to try to get the ECU to learn the new air pattern because when the AC was off the would the engine fall into a really rough idle ~450 rpm's for about 20 seconds then recover. Now it wont fall into the low idle but the SES light is on. ??? Any ideas?
03-20-2005, 04:26 PM
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Delayed light is, in my experience, indicative of a leak, probably in your upper intake manifold. My advice is to take a little extra time and disconnect everything from the plenum so that you can lift it completely out. Then you can be sure that the gaskets and spacer are properly aligned. I had the same experience a while back, although it was on a different car, and all I had to do was reseat the manifold to correct it.
03-20-2005, 05:44 PM
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how bout the little tube/hose that is connected to that intake plastic tube (if you removed it)....its on the underside of that plastic intake tube so maybe you didn't see it and forgot to hook that back up.
i agree with cmouton....with everything disconnected (the plastick intake tube) its much easier to move, inspect, and adjust the upper plenum
i agree with cmouton....with everything disconnected (the plastick intake tube) its much easier to move, inspect, and adjust the upper plenum
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03-20-2005, 07:06 PM
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well I took apart everything!
it all looked good, put everything back together turned it back on same thing.
then I suddenly heard a lil pop, I put my hand on the top of the plenum to rest so i could get closer cause it sounded like it came from the back of the engine and I noticed that bolt #2 was sucking my hand into the plenum.
Looked at it and it was leaking went to retourqe it thinking it was loose but it was tight looks like the little o-ring washer isn't big enough or during the install I damaged it Anyone got info on the o-ring so i can get a bigger one.
Will the SES light go away once the condition is remedyed or do i have to get it reset?
it all looked good, put everything back together turned it back on same thing.
then I suddenly heard a lil pop, I put my hand on the top of the plenum to rest so i could get closer cause it sounded like it came from the back of the engine and I noticed that bolt #2 was sucking my hand into the plenum.
Looked at it and it was leaking went to retourqe it thinking it was loose but it was tight looks like the little o-ring washer isn't big enough or during the install I damaged it Anyone got info on the o-ring so i can get a bigger one.
Will the SES light go away once the condition is remedyed or do i have to get it reset?
03-20-2005, 10:49 PM
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problem solved!
Turns out i got 6 o-ring washers instead of 3 so I tried the front 3 60 mm bolts w/o orings and the sides worked great but the one in the middle got worse.
Then i noticed that the middle bolt wouldn't sit all the way down it left about 1/16-1/8 of an inch (this is after it was torqued to spec) So me scratching my head got an idea I put all 3 of the extra o-ring washers on the center bolt, torqued it down and works great and no SES light.
woo hoo. What do you guys think of my predicament, im somewhat concerned that the center bolt would not sit all the way down but the two on the sides were fine. (this is reffering to bolt #2)
Think it will be good or should I get a more permanment solution.
Turns out i got 6 o-ring washers instead of 3 so I tried the front 3 60 mm bolts w/o orings and the sides worked great but the one in the middle got worse.
Then i noticed that the middle bolt wouldn't sit all the way down it left about 1/16-1/8 of an inch (this is after it was torqued to spec) So me scratching my head got an idea I put all 3 of the extra o-ring washers on the center bolt, torqued it down and works great and no SES light.
woo hoo. What do you guys think of my predicament, im somewhat concerned that the center bolt would not sit all the way down but the two on the sides were fine. (this is reffering to bolt #2)
Think it will be good or should I get a more permanment solution.
03-21-2005, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Road Warrior
were those the top six bolts in the middle of the plenum that were leaking?
i didn't really check for leaks but thats a good idea to make sure everything is sealed.
on the JIC...is there any adjustment....i had to adjust my stock strut bar to get the holes to line up after putting in the spacers.
i didn't really check for leaks but thats a good idea to make sure everything is sealed.
on the JIC...is there any adjustment....i had to adjust my stock strut bar to get the holes to line up after putting in the spacers.
And the7ferret..def a leak b.c. my idle was very rough when i had a leak and now its smoother than ever...GL
03-21-2005, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by the7ferret
problem solved!
Turns out i got 6 o-ring washers instead of 3 so I tried the front 3 60 mm bolts w/o orings and the sides worked great but the one in the middle got worse.
Then i noticed that the middle bolt wouldn't sit all the way down it left about 1/16-1/8 of an inch (this is after it was torqued to spec) So me scratching my head got an idea I put all 3 of the extra o-ring washers on the center bolt, torqued it down and works great and no SES light.
woo hoo. What do you guys think of my predicament, im somewhat concerned that the center bolt would not sit all the way down but the two on the sides were fine. (this is reffering to bolt #2)
Think it will be good or should I get a more permanment solution.
Turns out i got 6 o-ring washers instead of 3 so I tried the front 3 60 mm bolts w/o orings and the sides worked great but the one in the middle got worse.
Then i noticed that the middle bolt wouldn't sit all the way down it left about 1/16-1/8 of an inch (this is after it was torqued to spec) So me scratching my head got an idea I put all 3 of the extra o-ring washers on the center bolt, torqued it down and works great and no SES light.
woo hoo. What do you guys think of my predicament, im somewhat concerned that the center bolt would not sit all the way down but the two on the sides were fine. (this is reffering to bolt #2)
Think it will be good or should I get a more permanment solution.
03-21-2005, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Road Warrior
i found the same to be true regarding that #2 bolt and replaced it with a smaller size to make sure it seats down all the way. good job correcting the problem....i have yet to check for leaks but no lights.
the instruction told you to replace the front 3 bolts with the original 60mm bolts from the rear of the plenum.. there were different sizes I know, so I put all the bolts next to each other and picked the correct ones. But your saying your 60mm bolts were too long? while mine worked as planed.. thats silly.
yes why did the instruction say to use 3 o-rings when it came with 6?
who wrote these instruction I have to wonder....lol
I used all 6 one on each bolt for the top of the plenum.
03-21-2005, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Th3Cleaner
This is a bit silly guys...
the instruction told you to replace the front 3 bolts with the original 60mm bolts from the rear of the plenum.. there were different sizes I know, so I put all the bolts next to each other and picked the correct ones. But your saying your 60mm bolts were too long? while mine worked as planed.. thats silly.
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the instruction told you to replace the front 3 bolts with the original 60mm bolts from the rear of the plenum.. there were different sizes I know, so I put all the bolts next to each other and picked the correct ones. But your saying your 60mm bolts were too long? while mine worked as planed.. thats silly.
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Manufacturing tolerances... gotta luvem'
03-21-2005, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Th3Cleaner
This is a bit silly guys...
the instruction told you to replace the front 3 bolts with the original 60mm bolts from the rear of the plenum.. there were different sizes I know, so I put all the bolts next to each other and picked the correct ones. But your saying your 60mm bolts were too long? while mine worked as planed.. thats silly.
yes why did the instruction say to use 3 o-rings when it came with 6?
who wrote these instruction I have to wonder....lol
I used all 6 one on each bolt for the top of the plenum.
the instruction told you to replace the front 3 bolts with the original 60mm bolts from the rear of the plenum.. there were different sizes I know, so I put all the bolts next to each other and picked the correct ones. But your saying your 60mm bolts were too long? while mine worked as planed.. thats silly.
yes why did the instruction say to use 3 o-rings when it came with 6?
who wrote these instruction I have to wonder....lol
I used all 6 one on each bolt for the top of the plenum.
its not silly, its fact...maybe yours was different. i can read instructions and i know enough that when the bolt was torqued the head was not seated to the plenum. now, given that information....wouldn't you say that bolt was too long?
this was the only problem that i encountered during my install. since i was SMART enough to think ahead buying the extra hardware before the install, i had a bolt that was a little shorter and it worked out just fine. you can't tell me that some of the bolts that you reused (per the instructions) were a bit short??? now who's silly, i changed out the bolts i thought were too short with some that were a little longer and i feel better about having the proper sized bolts holding down my plenum.
but hey, its your car and you can do whatever you want.
silly me though, eh
nice sig btw...bragging about tickets really makes you appear to be sharp...as a marble
rw....out
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03-21-2005, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Road Warrior
all i am saying is that the front middle bolt was too long on my plenum (i followed the instructions and i bought extra hardware just in case of a problem). the rubber washers was a no brainer...one for each of the six on the top of the plenum, duh
its not silly, its fact...maybe yours was different. i can read instructions and i know enough that when the bolt was torqued the head was not seated to the plenum. now, given that information....wouldn't you say that bolt was too long?
this was the only problem that i encountered during my install. since i was SMART enough to think ahead buying the extra hardware before the install, i had a bolt that was a little shorter and it worked out just fine. you can't tell me that some of the bolts that you reused (per the instructions) were a bit short??? now who's silly, i changed out the bolts i thought were too short with some that were a little longer and i feel better about having the proper sized bolts holding down my plenum.
but hey, its your car and you can do whatever you want.
silly me though, eh
nice sig btw...bragging about tickets really makes you appear to be sharp...as a marble
rw....out
its not silly, its fact...maybe yours was different. i can read instructions and i know enough that when the bolt was torqued the head was not seated to the plenum. now, given that information....wouldn't you say that bolt was too long?
this was the only problem that i encountered during my install. since i was SMART enough to think ahead buying the extra hardware before the install, i had a bolt that was a little shorter and it worked out just fine. you can't tell me that some of the bolts that you reused (per the instructions) were a bit short??? now who's silly, i changed out the bolts i thought were too short with some that were a little longer and i feel better about having the proper sized bolts holding down my plenum.
but hey, its your car and you can do whatever you want.
silly me though, eh
nice sig btw...bragging about tickets really makes you appear to be sharp...as a marble
rw....out
#1. I am not mocking you, so back off
"yes why did the instruction say to use 3 o-rings when it came with 6?
who wrote these instruction I have to wonder....lol
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Thats what I was refering to as SILLY
#2. how many tix do I have?
lets count ..........
OMG! ............. 1 in the last 7 years
no wonder my insurance is so low on both my vehicles.
anyway .. I did not intend to dis/offend you.
sorry if I did.
I am glad your install is better suited now.
03-21-2005, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Th3Cleaner
#1. I am not mocking you, so back off
"yes why did the instruction say to use 3 o-rings when it came with 6?
who wrote these instruction I have to wonder....lol
"
Thats what I was refering to as SILLY
#2. how many tix do I have?
lets count ..........
OMG! ............. 1 in the last 7 years
no wonder my insurance is so low on both my vehicles.
anyway .. I did not intend to dis/offend you.
sorry if I did.
I am glad your install is better suited now.
"yes why did the instruction say to use 3 o-rings when it came with 6?
who wrote these instruction I have to wonder....lol
"
Thats what I was refering to as SILLY
#2. how many tix do I have?
lets count ..........
OMG! ............. 1 in the last 7 years
no wonder my insurance is so low on both my vehicles.
anyway .. I did not intend to dis/offend you.
sorry if I did.
I am glad your install is better suited now.
03-22-2005, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Road Warrior
all i am saying is that the front middle bolt was too long on my plenum (i followed the instructions and i bought extra hardware just in case of a problem). the rubber washers was a no brainer...one for each of the six on the top of the plenum, duh
03-23-2005, 02:05 PM
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Well I finally installed my spacer today and the install went very smoothly until it was time to put the strut bar back on. I first tried 2 spacers under each of the 3 bolt holes and 2 spacers under the studs on both the passanger and drivers side. With only 2 spacers the strut bar was hitting the upper plenum. So then I put one extra spacer under the driver's side stud (for a total of 3 spacers) and it looked like the bar was gonna clear the plenum ok. When I went to shut the hood, sure enough it was hitting on the driver's side. After playing with the adjustment nuts on the strut bar I thought had gotten enough clearance for the hood to close. I was wrong. The bar was touching the hood and hitting the plenum. So I took the strut bar off and have given up for now. I'm going to keep messing with the fitment on my next day off.
For those of you that have gotten the bar to clear properly please help me out with the number of spacers you used and in which locations. I know each car is different due to tolerances and such, but I'd like to hear what it took for you guys to get your strut bars to clear. I'm afraid that I already had a low hood clearance to start with and I really don't want to have to buy the Crawfords strut bar.
Any help would be appricated. Thanks.
For those of you that have gotten the bar to clear properly please help me out with the number of spacers you used and in which locations. I know each car is different due to tolerances and such, but I'd like to hear what it took for you guys to get your strut bars to clear. I'm afraid that I already had a low hood clearance to start with and I really don't want to have to buy the Crawfords strut bar.
Any help would be appricated. Thanks.