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12-12-2006, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
On video it does sound like a fart can but you need to listen to it in person because it does not sound like that at all. You really cant judge the sound of an exhaust until you have heard it in person. We have talked about this topic dozens of times.
The other week I was riding in my gf's car and I hear this loud honda-sounding farty exhaust coming up. Half expecting to see a civic or prelude roll by, I look over and see a red F430. I've heard them multiple times (in person) in the past previous to this and I've never heard it sound quite that bad, but then again it's never been impressive. I also saw a f430 spyder running high 12's/ low 13's at the drag strip this weekend and was also not impressed. Don't get me wrong, they are nice looking cars, but they aren't the best sounding. I've heard them many times before that, and for the price and performance of that car, it could definitely sound a lot meaner.
Anyway, this is all beside the point. The HKS exhaust sounds like neither a ferrari or a civic. It does sound like it lacks ***** compared to other exhaust for the Z though. The one in the ebay add definitely sounded deeper and more aggressive than the actual HKS exhaust.
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12-12-2006, 03:04 PM
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I think I understand the now….
“The NSX (a cheap copy of a Fiero) is better then any 350z (if you like Fiero's). But a NSX with HKS parts (and maybe a baseball bat) is the car of “Japanese Gods” or "The Fart Can God."
I think I will wait for the clip…
“The NSX (a cheap copy of a Fiero) is better then any 350z (if you like Fiero's). But a NSX with HKS parts (and maybe a baseball bat) is the car of “Japanese Gods” or "The Fart Can God."
I think I will wait for the clip…
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12-12-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 350zpeed
I think I understand the now….
“The NSX (a cheap copy of a Fiero) is better then any 350z (if you like Fiero's). But a NSX with HKS parts (and maybe a baseball bat) is the car of “Japanese Gods”.
I think I will wait for the clip…
“The NSX (a cheap copy of a Fiero) is better then any 350z (if you like Fiero's). But a NSX with HKS parts (and maybe a baseball bat) is the car of “Japanese Gods”.
I think I will wait for the clip…
12-12-2006, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SergEK
Maybe in your dream world
I would take a 2005 NSX over a Z anyday of the week and twice on Sundays
I would take a 2005 NSX over a Z anyday of the week and twice on Sundays
Hondas are above Nissan in every aspect of quality --- the only weakness Honda has is their extreme view on efficiency and keepign engine size as small as possible for a given application
If an S2000 was powered by a 3+L Honda motor the Z would be an afterthought to most people on this board- ---- but given its only equipped with a 2.0L its a different animal than the larger bore Z
I miss my old Hondas and I have no illusions about my Z's quality --- its nowhere near Honda quality but the interior volume, powerband and shape as well as price went a long way towards not fussing over the small annoying nissan details
If an S2000 was powered by a 3+L Honda motor the Z would be an afterthought to most people on this board- ---- but given its only equipped with a 2.0L its a different animal than the larger bore Z
I miss my old Hondas and I have no illusions about my Z's quality --- its nowhere near Honda quality but the interior volume, powerband and shape as well as price went a long way towards not fussing over the small annoying nissan details
12-12-2006, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Oh really?
The other week I was riding in my gf's car and I hear this loud honda-sounding farty exhaust coming up. Half expecting to see a civic or prelude roll by, I look over and see a red F430. I've heard them multiple times (in person) in the past previous to this and I've never heard it sound quite that bad, but then again it's never been impressive. I also saw a f430 spyder running high 12's/ low 13's at the drag strip this weekend and was also not impressed. Don't get me wrong, they are nice looking cars, but they aren't the best sounding. I've heard them many times before that, and for the price and performance of that car, it could definitely sound a lot meaner.
Anyway, this is all beside the point. The HKS exhaust sounds like neither a ferrari or a civic. It does sound like it lacks ***** compared to other exhaust for the Z though. The one in the ebay add definitely sounded deeper and more aggressive than the actual HKS exhaust.
The other week I was riding in my gf's car and I hear this loud honda-sounding farty exhaust coming up. Half expecting to see a civic or prelude roll by, I look over and see a red F430. I've heard them multiple times (in person) in the past previous to this and I've never heard it sound quite that bad, but then again it's never been impressive. I also saw a f430 spyder running high 12's/ low 13's at the drag strip this weekend and was also not impressed. Don't get me wrong, they are nice looking cars, but they aren't the best sounding. I've heard them many times before that, and for the price and performance of that car, it could definitely sound a lot meaner.
Anyway, this is all beside the point. The HKS exhaust sounds like neither a ferrari or a civic. It does sound like it lacks ***** compared to other exhaust for the Z though. The one in the ebay add definitely sounded deeper and more aggressive than the actual HKS exhaust.
12-12-2006, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
On video it does sound like a fart can but you need to listen to it in person because it does not sound like that at all. You really cant judge the sound of an exhaust until you have heard it in person. We have talked about this topic dozens of times.
12-12-2006, 05:34 PM
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Just coincidence, but it looks like the "quality" HKS exhaust hanger issue has struck again:
http://www.350zclubofflorida.com/php...ghlight=#19681
http://www.350zclubofflorida.com/php...ghlight=#19681
12-12-2006, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Just coincidence, but it looks like the "quality" HKS exhaust hanger issue has struck again:
http://www.350zclubofflorida.com/php...ghlight=#19681
http://www.350zclubofflorida.com/php...ghlight=#19681
Seriously, This is not a widespread problem and every aftermarket exhaust is gonna have some type of issue. Easy fix just get it welded. Big deal. Even Nismo's have their problems.
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12-12-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
OMG The world is gonna end now!!! Everyone who has the HKS exhaust sell it NOW because the "QUALITY" sucks and it will break on you!!!!
Seriously, This is not a widespread problem and every aftermarket exhaust is gonna have some type of issue. Easy fix just get it welded. Big deal. Even Nismo's have their problems.
Seriously, This is not a widespread problem and every aftermarket exhaust is gonna have some type of issue. Easy fix just get it welded. Big deal. Even Nismo's have their problems.
I've read about this exact same issue on more than its fair share of occasions, and it's considered a known issue with these exhausts. If these were as superior quality as some in this thread would lead to believe, then I guess this issue would say otherwise.
But anyway, the only issues I've heard with the Nixmo (fujitsubo) exhaust is that people have shredded the flex piping on the y-pipe when bottoming out the car (which isn't a problem with the exhaust). Other than that, I'd be interested in hearing what problems people have with them.
If you want to continue this debate, I'm sure I can dig up some pics of the "quality" welds on the authentic HKS piece (they're almost as bad as the welds on the Borla exhaust). I'll see what I can do.
12-12-2006, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by taurran
I should have expected such an immature response...
Why don't I start digging up posts about recurring quality issues with Turbonetics?
I've read about this exact same issue on more than its fair share of occasions, and it's considered a known issue with these exhausts. If these were as superior quality as some in this thread would lead to believe, then I guess this issue would say otherwise.
You make it sound like every other HKS exhaust has quality issues.
But anyway, the only issues I've heard with the Nixmo (fujitsubo) exhaust is that people have shredded the flex piping on the y-pipe when bottoming out the car (which isn't a problem with the exhaust). Other than that, I'd be interested in hearing what problems people have with them.
If you want to continue this debate, I'm sure I can dig up some pics of the "quality" welds on the authentic HKS piece (they're almost as bad as the welds on the Borla exhaust). I'll see what I can do.
If you want to continue this debate, I'm sure I can dig up some pics of the "quality" welds on the authentic HKS piece (they're almost as bad as the welds on the Borla exhaust). I'll see what I can do.
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12-12-2006, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
A prefect response to your comedic post. Why don't I start digging up posts about recurring quality issues with Turbonetics?
Why don't I start digging up posts about recurring quality issues with Turbonetics?Comparing HKS to Turbonetics is difficult anyway, as Turbonetics designs their own turbocharger systems from the ground up, whereas HKS totally relies on Garrett and other developers to build their systems upon.
Originally Posted by Diesel350
You have heard like what? 5-10 issues out of thousands of exhausts produced? Give me a break. You make it sound like every other HKS exhaust has quality issues.
You make it sound like every other HKS exhaust has quality issues.
Originally Posted by Diesel350
Uhh ok whatever you say!! People have had issues with the Nismo exhaust like rattling, rubbing, exhaust leaks, exhaust causing aftermarket cats to crack due to the Nismo exhaust "pulling up" on the cat pipe, etc, etc. Don't make it sound like the Nismo exhaust doesn't have any issues and the HKS has tons because they all have issues at some point just like any other car, product, etc you will have some defective ones produced.
Besides, I'm not here to defend the quality of these other exhaust systems as much as I am here to prove that it IS possible for a "knockoff" product to be a quality piece.
You, on the other hand, seem only intent to justify your own purchase of your exhaust system. Sorry if you paid too much for it.
12-12-2006, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by k3silk
The hell with all this fighting I just want to see some real damn pics of it. who cares if you like it or not. dont like it dont buy it.
Just don't question the godlike quality of the almighty H - K - S.
12-12-2006, 08:36 PM
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I like HKS exhaust! Have never had problems with both of them i've had.
I think they have the best sound too. It doesn't sounds "farty" either whatsoever.
Craig where the heck are the Run pics
I think they have the best sound too. It doesn't sounds "farty" either whatsoever.
Craig where the heck are the Run pics
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12-12-2006, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Zexy
I like HKS exhaust! Have never had problems with both of them i've had.
I think they have the best sound too. It doesn't sounds "farty" either whatsoever.
Craig where the heck are the Run pics
I think they have the best sound too. It doesn't sounds "farty" either whatsoever.
Craig where the heck are the Run pics
http://www.350zclubofflorida.com/php...1213&pc_t=2526
There are more around at other sources. Enjoy.
12-13-2006, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by taurran
Since when did I mention Turbonetics in this entire thread? If you really care to, go ahead and dig any references up. I gaurantee I'll debunk the vast majority of them. Besides, you're insane to compare a simple exhaust system with the complexity of an aftermarket turbo kit.
Comparing HKS to Turbonetics is difficult anyway, as Turbonetics designs their own turbocharger systems from the ground up, whereas HKS totally relies on Garrett and other developers to build their systems upon.
Comparing HKS to Turbonetics is difficult anyway, as Turbonetics designs their own turbocharger systems from the ground up, whereas HKS totally relies on Garrett and other developers to build their systems upon.
Show me pics of the welds on your own exhaust and I'll believe they're as quality as you make it out to be. I've seen these exhausts and I assure you that compared to the Nismo/Fujitsubo/APS/etc/etc exhausts they are inferior.
I don't have to justify to you that I have a quality piece. All that matters in my opinion is that I'm completely happy with it.
Oh I'm sure people do have issues (as with any aftermarket part), but the occurance of said issues is relatively low and not uniform as in the case of the HKS exhaust. Lets face it, there are FAR more Nismo exhausts on the road than HKS setups, and if you compare the ratio of people with no issues to those that do will be much better with the Nismo exhaust. (I still find it humerous that you consider cracked cats a defect despite the fact that its not a catback exhaust design issue)
Besides, I'm not here to defend the quality of these other exhaust systems as much as I am here to prove that it IS possible for a "knockoff" product to be a quality piece.
You, on the other hand, seem only intent to justify your own purchase of your exhaust system. Sorry if you paid too much for it.
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12-13-2006, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
And I got a nice discount on the purchase of my HKS THANK YOU!!
You will go on in the HKS Hall of Fame as the best sales rep they never had to pay a dime too. But wait, if we buy today, do we get a second one for free???? Operators are standing by.
12-13-2006, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel350
The cracked cats were a DIRECT result of the Nismo exhaust pulling up on the cat. I thought I already explained this. Do you see that happening with HKS and aftermarket cats?
Originally Posted by Diesel350
How can you PROVE the HKS knockoff is a quality piece? You haven't even seen it yet and it hasn't been installed on anyone's car yet. LOL Your posts are pure comedy. I keep laughing.
If you think that making yourself look like a fool by arguing with me is funny, then so be it.
Originally Posted by Diesel350
No, I'm trying to debunk your outlandish claims about the HKS not being a quality piece and that it has recurring problems all the time. Keep making up garbage why don't you? And I got a nice discount on the purchase of my HKS THANK YOU!!