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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by INTENSEPOWER
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Wow man you're waaay out of control on this. Mate?

So... now your box was thrashed and that's somehow our fault, or the fault of our product?? The gasket was f-ed up too? Anything else you want to add? It's almost page 8.. not too late to add more..

You ordered a JiC y-pipe and didn't want to wait for the back order. Pete advised you that we have the Intense y-pipes in stock. You're contention is that he talked it up like it was the answer to world peace. He said she said.. Pete would not tell you that it was on the same level of quality, performance, etc, and if you led yourself to believe that you purchased a y-pipe for $145 that was on the same level as a $400 y-pipe then you're not playing with a full deck, mate.

You've showed that the y-pipe you received it less than 1" shorter than the stock one, yes. I've showed that you're the only one that's had fitment issues with THIS manufacturers y-pipe. You show pictures of welds that aren't on the same level as JiC.. yeah..? $145 vs $400... get it? You've also assumed that by the looks of the welds that they will crack. I've shown that it happens in about 3% of the cases, and that we refund/replace at the customer's request 100% of the time.

I offered you a full refund or exchange. You declined. Fine. I've done all that I can do for you. If you want to chose to think that you got "played like a sucka.." so be it. 97% of all customers that order this product have zero problems, and NONE of them have had a fitment issue other than you.

Darren (has only been called "mate" by his Australian customers)


nop, that is it... nothing to add.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:45 PM
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@Tac-M: The price of that y-pipe differs in China from as low as $30-$70 - it is all quality wise. The other good example would be the testpipes - again it's $20-$40. So you can do the maths about the profit margin.

You cannot say that something is produced by Megan or Topspeed (those are just "branding" companies, they buy what is available, do not develop anything by their own), there are more than 50 company's which are producing exhaust headers, turbo manifolds, catbacks in China (I myself know at least 3 producers of the HKS knockoff, 4 of catback known as the Topspeed one, more than 20 which have various VQ35DE headers), so you can quite easly take your pick and choose the best supplier (quality wise) - it is not that hard, you just need to want.

Pete @ IM was right about the similarity to fujitsubo, it is fujitsubo knockoff, just like tons of other things from China. It is the quality which differs, China is like ebay, you get what you paid for, from my experience I can say if I would pick the y-pipe which would cost $70 it could be better quality than Fujitsubo or Tanabe (the same goes with my HKS knockoff, which is superior to the original - better materials, better craftsmanship). Also remember how many products of top dollar companies are made in China or Taiwan, so it is not that chinese people cannot do something right, they can but you need to pay them more.

It just looks like IM took the bottom line factory (the same quality league as the ones which are suppling ebay), still cannot figure out why there is a $160 price tag on that thing.

@IM:
Oh, and few words of an advice to IM, as from my previous experience with importing goods from China (not the performance auto parts though, but I do import tons of other stuff):
#1 do not let chinese factories to pack your stuff in their generic boxes, they are not worth chit (the quality is so bad, they literally torn apart during the shipment), paying them few $ more for your own boxes with IM logo and bit better quality wouldn't hurt your budget much
#2 the other thing is the generic boxes are the best way to track down your supplier (yeah, I know it might not be worth it, in such a case), don't ask my how, you should already know
#3 at this price tag either lower the retail or find someone who actually can weld exhaust pipes
#4 think about the cases where gaskets could be missing or could be damaged, it looks like you have not, and the reason why you cannot send those to your clients is because you would have to part the whole y-pipe set it would not hurt you to order like few sets of those gasket additionally with the whole order as spares.
#5 if I where you, I would have inspected visually every single part I am sending to my clients, just to make sure the quality won't hurt the good name of the company (this is the thing most of the companies forgot nowadays, when outsourcing production to China)

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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@Tac-M: The price of that y-pipe differs in China from as low as $30-$70 - it is all quality wise. The other good example would be the testpipes - again it's $20-$40. So you can do the maths about the profit margin.

You cannot say that something is produced by Megan or Topspeed (those are just "branding" companies, they buy what is available, do not develop anything by their own), there are more than 50 company's which are producing exhaust headers, turbo manifolds, catbacks in China (I myself know at least 3 producers of the HKS knockoff, 4 of catback known as the Topspeed one), so you can quite easly take your pick and choose the best supplier (quality wise) - it is not that hard, you just need to want.

Pete @ IM was right about the similarity to fujitsubo, it is fujitsubo knockoff, just like tons of other things from China. It is the quality which differs, China is like ebay, you get what you paid for, from my experience I can say if I would pick the y-pipe which would cost $70 it could be better quality than Fujitsubo or Tanabe (the same goes with my HKS knockoff, which is superior to the original - better materials, better craftsmanship). Also remember how many products of top dollar companies are made in China or Taiwan, so it is not that chinese people cannot do something right, they can but you need to pay them more.

It just looks like IM took the bottom line factory (the same quality league as the ones which are suppling ebay), still cannot figure out why there is a $160 price tag on that thing.

@IM:
Oh, and few words of an advice to IM, as from my previous experience with importing goods from China (not the performance auto parts though, but I do import tons of other stuff):
#1 do not let chinese factories to pack your stuff in their generic boxes, they are not worth chit (the quality is so bad, they literally torn apart during the shipment), paying them few $ more for your own boxes with IM logo and bit better quality wouldn't hurt your budget much
#2 the other thing is the generic boxes are the best way to track down your supplier (yeah, I know it might not by worth it in such a case), don't ask my how, you should already know
#3 at this price tag either lower the retail or find someone who actually can weld exhaust pipes
#4 think about the cases where gaskets could be missing or could be damaged, it looks like you have not, and the reason why you cannot send those to your clients is because you would have to part the whole y-pipe set it would not hurt you to order like few sets of those gasket additionally with the whole order.
#5 if I where you, I would have inspected visually every single part I am sending to my clients, just to make sure the quality won't hurt the good name of the company (this is the thing most of the companies forgot nowadays, when outsourcing production to China)

zdarovo brat, these are the points that i tried to make here. why is a top company like IM selling this chit? and claims that it is sooo good?


once again, this was the worst exhaust part that i have ever seen.
Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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@Tac-M

BTW:



Yeah I know the design differs a bit (it might be some other JDM model knockoff, but IMO it is the most similar to Amuse piece), still its full Ti, for 1/2-1/3 of Amuse's price This is the top dollar quality you can get

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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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The y-pipe looks pretty good quality to me for the price you paid.
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Is it possible that the '07 exhaust components and dimensions are different from the '03-'06? Looking at the picture of the Y-pipe posted above makes me wonder if that's the reason for the length discrepancy. I wonder how many of these Y-pipes were installed on '07s? Does anyone have access to both an '07 and a pre-'07 OEM Y-pipe for comparison? I know most of the aftermarket exhaust components are advertised as for the '03-'06, but that could be because the '07 is so new.
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Originally Posted by undrgnd
Is it possible that the '07 exhaust components and dimensions are different from the '03-'06? Looking at the picture of the Y-pipe posted above makes me wonder if that's the reason for the length discrepancy. I wonder how many of these Y-pipes were installed on '07s? Does anyone have access to both an '07 and a pre-'07 OEM Y-pipe for comparison? I know most of the aftermarket exhaust components are advertised as for the '03-'06, but that could be because the '07 is so new.

i do. i have a set from my o5 in the attic... I’ll pull it out in a few and do pix of pre 07, 07, IM and ebay pipes.... so hold on for a grand finale.
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Originally Posted by Tac-M
IIQuickSilverII is clearly on payroll with IM so all of his posts are very biased.
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i dont even live in the same town
Originally Posted by Tac-M
... and claims that it is sooo good?
can you read? or did you not hear well when you talked to Pete?

Originally Posted by IntenseAero
FIRST, I never claimed it out performed the JIC y-Pipe.

My statement was as follows.
#1: JIC-Magic Y-Pipe out of stock {I called you to notify you of this without ever charging the credit card or leaving you guessing on the status of your order- Shameful Customer Service? Hmmm.}

You then asked "what was immediately available and could ship to you same day."
My Answer as Follows:
I have the Intense Y-Pipe in stock ready to ship

You then asked "what the quality and power was like."
My Answer as follows:
I have not had any customers call me with quality or fitment issues as well as it performing very well according to feedback from previous customers and has proven to be a decent power adder for the Z/G platform.

You then asked "if it was a pipe from eBay and if it was cheap Chinese knockoff."
My Answer:
No it is not an eBay pipe nor is it cheap Chinese knockoff.

You then thanked me for saving you the money and we ended the conversation.

No one "played you as a sucka" as you so eloquently put.
I will not sit back and watch this thread get out of control as it has or words be put in my mouth.

This thread needs to be closed at a minimum as nothing helpful or positive is being added at this point and some members are simply unnecessarily adding fuel to a fire.

Our offer still stands on taking care of you and rectifying this situation as you have not taken us up on this offer nor have you contacted us via phone call or email. My personal email is Intensepeter@yahoo.com I eagerly await your contact.


Thank you and Good Day "Mate"

Mod consider lock and delete please.


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Originally Posted by Tac-M
i do. i have a set from my o5 in the attic... I’ll pull it out in a few and do pix of pre 07, 07, IM and ebay pipes.... so hold on for a grand finale.
i guess you are still missing the point... 97% of customers don't have issues with the exhaust...they know they are buying a budget Y pipe that if any trouble comes up you would have gotten taken care of with a replacement, or full credit towards a better product.
The fitment problems is NEWS because so far you are the only one that has reported this and as Darren told you he hasn't heard from anybody with that issue in particular yet, and the flex situation is not a problem you are experiencing you are assuming you will be part of that 3% that has had that problem. ANd finally you just jumped hte gun in posting this thread makign it look like you got scamed or something when its clearly not the case, and everybody can see that.

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Ok @ ! here is the comparison between Stock 05, Stock O7, E-bay and IM Y-Pipes.


First is the shot to see if there is any difference between 05 and 07. other than a new design there are no notable size differences.

The rest should speak for themselves. the worst looking pipe came from IM at the price of $145 ( now it is 165 ). the better ( imo) pipe came from ebay, @ significantly lower cost.

Good night IM , and thank you for sending me more of the Chinese crap now i have 4 y-pipes, maybe i should go in business?
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Originally Posted by Tac-M
Good night IM , and thank you for sending me more of the Chinese crap now i have 4 y-pipes, maybe i should go in business?

you sir are total impatient and more and more stubborn by the minute, if you had a problem you should have tried to contact IM to return it or work something out..then post what your experience was and how you got things resolved nicely for you...but...again...you handled this very poorly...and yet you still act like you got scammed when the very first moment IM heard of this they tried to make sure you would ultimately be a satisfied customer... yet you choose to have this douche attitude(which wasn't there when you started the thread)..id luv to see if the ebay seller would stand behind his product 100% as Darren has done.
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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
(which wasn't there when you started the thread)


you made me change my mind.


and just one more thing, i don't want there to be a problem with a product to begin with. so with IM is it kind of like buying extended warrantee and not knowing about it ? is this why their pipe costs more? Well then, i got totally ripped off...

can you name one time when someone had to contact rays with a problem? i don't.

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Good Lord, Intense is being MORE than fair in this situation.

After you (Tac) have pretty much dragged them through the mud, they're STILL offering your refund/exchange. You obviously can't care too much about it if you're not gonna at the very least get your money back (which would make all too much sense if you don't want to do business with them).

The you got Tac's nut swinging cheerleader in here... STFU already. Have you even dealt with Intense before? My guess... NO. I have, and it was one of the easiest buying experiences I've had dealing online with a company. I would not hesitate to do business with them again.

Quick brought up a VERY good point with the laptop thing... say you bought a GReddy TT kit, and one of the manifold's fitment was completely off. Would you drag them through the mud and start some ******** about don't buy GReddy TT kits since they don't fit? Prolly not. What you WOULD do is contact the seller and let them know. It's common ****ing sense. **** is GONNA BE OFF sometimes. It happens. That's what warranties are in place for, so if it does happen, you get it replaced AT NO COST TO YOU OTHER THAN A FEW DAYS. Some of you people just have unrealistic ****ing expectations... especially for a damn $145 y-pipe.

Intense, you might want to think about updating your products page (regarding your exhaust pieces) since they still say they're being built by Top Speed.

I lol'd at your email IntenseAero (intensepeter)... my mind's in the gutter today.

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Originally Posted by IIQuickSilverII
you sir are total impatient and more and more stubborn by the minute, if you had a problem you should have tried to contact IM to return it or work something out..then post what your experience was and how you got things resolved nicely for you...but...again...you handled this very poorly...and yet you still act like you got scammed when the very first moment IM heard of this they tried to make sure you would ultimately be a satisfied customer... yet you choose to have this douche attitude(which wasn't there when you started the thread)..id luv to see if the ebay seller would stand behind his product 100% as Darren has done.
+1

EDIT: There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with letting people know about the fitment issue with the y-pipe. You went about the completely wrong way of getting it out there though.

Bottom line is you shoulda worked it out with Intense before resorting to this thread.

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^ wow, did they send you an extra sticker for this or something?

i posted the pix of the y-pipes, nothing else... and then a few idividuals like yourself, started screaming that i am draging IM through the mud... please ! read the first post again.

and your' Greddy comment is irrelevant here... if Greddy would make ( or distribute) a product of this quality, they would not be here.

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Originally Posted by Tac-M
you made me change my mind.


and just one more thing, i don't want there to be a problem with a product to begin with. so with IM is it kind of like buying extended warrantee and not knowing about it ? is this why their pipe costs more? Well then, i got totally ripped off...

can you name one time when someone had to contact rays with a problem? i don't.

right... Rays is the TOP OF THE LINE...EXCELLENT COMPARISON ...and excellent proof of your unrealistic expectations...
HOW DID YOU GET RIPPED OFF IF THEY OFFERED YOU A REPLACEMENT OR REFUND.
NOBODY TOLD YOU THIS WAS JIC QUALITY LIKE PRODUCT, Pete already showed what the converstaion was and it clearly doesnt say anything like what you are saying. Gains should be comparable to that of Fujitsu since it has similar piping size.

You surely sounded like a reasonable person and everybody, not jsut me, from the begining told you the same thing, You Jumped the gun.

Originally Posted by Tac-M
^ wow, did they send you an extra sticker for this or something?

i posted the pix of the y-pipes, nothing else... and then a few idividuals like yourself, started screaming that i am draging IM through the mud... please ! read the first post again.

and your' Greddy comment is irrelevant here... if Greddy would make ( or distribute) a product of this quality, they would not be here.

you offered NO CHANCE..not even 12 hours to Intense to rectify your concern. And it wasn't your first post...it just got worst as it went along. THERE is NO PROOF that you got ripped off here.
And you fail to realize where a lot of Greddy products come from too CDM. Does it mean they make bad products? NO, I like quite a few of them but....does the fact that its greddy mean all their products are flawless? NO... if any problem appears Will greddy replace you the parts?...
Other true example...Veilside ships a front lip and sides..sides with a possible defect....buyer.... he kindly brought it to the attention to Darren and he informs the VEilside of the situation... he then offers the buyer if he wants to exchange the product...buyer decided its fine, he managed to get it to work..buyer posts his experience and his finding with the product and overall good satisfaction with the transaction, the seller and the solution of the problem......end of the situation...everything solved the RIGHT WAY... DID YOU ATTEMPTED THIS??? NO

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Originally Posted by Tac-M
^ wow, did they send you an extra sticker for this or something?

i posted the pix of the y-pipes, nothing else... and then a few idividuals like yourself, started screaming that i am draging IM through the mud... please !

and your' Greddy comment is irrelevant here... if Greddy would make ( or distribute) a product of this quality, they would not be here.
Actually, I didn't get any stickers.

You did plenty more than post pics of the pipes.

It's turned into a shitload of he said she said. This thread is so ****ing pointless now it's unbelievable.

My GReddy comment is irrelevant? Than uh, what's this?
Originally Posted by Tac-M
if this pipe had HKS on it I would post a “ do not buy an HKS y-pipe “
That's ridiculous. You're the FIRST PERSON with this issue and all of a sudden "don't buy this BARGAIN y-pipe because I'm the only person with this issue." PLEASE. If that was the case NO products would be sold. Everything has issues. Hell, the 350Z itself has issues. So use your logic and uh, get rid of your car.

You're RETARDED to think I get ANYTHING out of backing up Intense. I haven't done business with them since I had my Z 2 YEARS AGO. But if I get another Z I would have no problem with it.

Like I already said, this thread is utterly pointless and needs to be closed.
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well, i ordered a top of the line product , and was offered this as a sub. ( did i say this already? )
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Originally Posted by Tac-M
you made me change my mind.


and just one more thing, i don't want there to be a problem with a product to begin with. so with IM is it kind of like buying extended warrantee and not knowing about it ? is this why their pipe costs more? Well then, i got totally ripped off...

can you name one time when someone had to contact rays with a problem? i don't.
(trying to get this thread locked--its ridonculous).

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well, i ordered a top of the line product , and was offered this as a sub. ( did i say this already? )
Yeah, you were OFFERED. They didn't force-feed it to you. You coulda said "No. I want a name-brand pipe like a Tanabe."
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
(trying to get this thread locked--its ridonuolous).

please ! DO lock it, i wasted a day doing pix and having to answer all the stupid comments. If you don’t want un-biased reviews, you might as well call this mySponsor.com


I’m out,
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