Stillen CAI Gen3 - 20hp gain claim is BS.
02-23-2010, 10:19 AM
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Hmm. Well, I am not sure what to say about your dyno and experience. I can only comment on my own, in which I saw very good gains in my situation from the gen 3 intakes. Is it possible that you have something wrong with the installation like Josh suggests? Have you double checked everything?
I had mine installed by Forged Performance who did the dyno runs too. I have no ties to Stillen and am sure Sharif at Forged Performance does not either, so my numbers are not inflated or anything. I would make sure everything is properly installed if I were you. I saw good gains and you can read my experience and see my dyno runs on the third page of my thread if you like. Granted I did the Stillen headers and Intake at the same time, but I saw a 30whp gain between the two of them. Stillen's claim of 20whp from the intake is in line with my results.
I had mine installed by Forged Performance who did the dyno runs too. I have no ties to Stillen and am sure Sharif at Forged Performance does not either, so my numbers are not inflated or anything. I would make sure everything is properly installed if I were you. I saw good gains and you can read my experience and see my dyno runs on the third page of my thread if you like. Granted I did the Stillen headers and Intake at the same time, but I saw a 30whp gain between the two of them. Stillen's claim of 20whp from the intake is in line with my results.
I linked to your thread! Sorry for the double link!
02-23-2010, 01:21 PM
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02-23-2010, 01:48 PM
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02-23-2010, 03:24 PM
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yes nismonian, it's so fishy that we are backing up a vendor we appreciate.
I don't even own any stillen products, I just think it's wrong to knock them after what they do for the forum, and I read this forum enough to have seen several dynos and members being happy with the gen 3 intakes.
I don't even own any stillen products, I just think it's wrong to knock them after what they do for the forum, and I read this forum enough to have seen several dynos and members being happy with the gen 3 intakes.
02-23-2010, 07:21 PM
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Well, it's clearly a conspiracy. You got us. Simultaneously, all of our Batphones rang, and Steve Millen was on the other end telling us that we needed to assemble on this thread and voice our approval.
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02-23-2010, 08:03 PM
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Yip, I thought I would take alot of flack spilling the beans as I did - and yes, to be honest I do feel like a complete ****. If I knew the cost would spiral like it did then there is no f*cking way I would have even thought about it.
But this is how it went: $595 for the CAI, $389 for the V1 spoiler, $415 for the postage. Now I told perfoemnace nissan to please ship as cheaply as possible. This meant instead of handing it to DHL for door delivery they sent it via customs - without my knowelege. Now that it ended up in customs it needed a clearance certificate, and companies charge for that service; plus the shipping service ended in Sydney. So that was another $300 to get the certificate. If I wanted it posted up to where I live another $200.
I contacted a Sydney dyno and service centre (a good one) and they quoted me $400 to dyno run and fit, so seeing I was looking at $200 just to get the parts up to me, it didnt seem like such a bad idea to go down to Syd and get it all done.
So I drive 450km the weekend, hand the car in, and get a phone call 2 hours later; sorry its a bigger job than they thought and is going to cost $600. Now I've already driven 450km to get the job done if I tell them no, I still have to drive back and somehow fit the CAI and spolier in my boot. Between a rock and a hard place?
So thats the tail of woe. It started small and ballooned insanely and looking back on it, would I do it again, **** no.
On the research; I spent a good few weeks researching what I could find on these claims and found nothing about the GEn3, except for someone (on this forum in fact) claiming it had worked as advertised. Also Stillen's page says nothing about having to tune or wait for the ECU to recongize the changes; and anyway from what I can tell this isnt the case; ECU's dont learn over time, they in fact revert back to standard (apparently some people disconnect to prevent this happening every few weeks or so). I am/could/most likely am wrong about this, but thats what I found, so anyone who can give me the right infol; thanks.
Incidently TuneHouse said that the car would benefit from a racetune from them to get the most out of the CAI but then every service it requries the same, and that is expensive. So if Stillen wants to say now that "obviously" the car needs a tune after installation and every service, then maybe that info should be presented on the bottom of their dyno graphs, along with how many Km's it would take before you will realise the benefits of throwing away hard earned cash.
The lesson: nissan built it, nissan know best. You **** with it you play russian roullete. Stillen R&D dont compare to Nissan's dollar for dollar.
I'm going to gym, this makes me angry...might as well put it to good use.
Over and out.
But this is how it went: $595 for the CAI, $389 for the V1 spoiler, $415 for the postage. Now I told perfoemnace nissan to please ship as cheaply as possible. This meant instead of handing it to DHL for door delivery they sent it via customs - without my knowelege. Now that it ended up in customs it needed a clearance certificate, and companies charge for that service; plus the shipping service ended in Sydney. So that was another $300 to get the certificate. If I wanted it posted up to where I live another $200.
I contacted a Sydney dyno and service centre (a good one) and they quoted me $400 to dyno run and fit, so seeing I was looking at $200 just to get the parts up to me, it didnt seem like such a bad idea to go down to Syd and get it all done.
So I drive 450km the weekend, hand the car in, and get a phone call 2 hours later; sorry its a bigger job than they thought and is going to cost $600. Now I've already driven 450km to get the job done if I tell them no, I still have to drive back and somehow fit the CAI and spolier in my boot. Between a rock and a hard place?
So thats the tail of woe. It started small and ballooned insanely and looking back on it, would I do it again, **** no.
On the research; I spent a good few weeks researching what I could find on these claims and found nothing about the GEn3, except for someone (on this forum in fact) claiming it had worked as advertised. Also Stillen's page says nothing about having to tune or wait for the ECU to recongize the changes; and anyway from what I can tell this isnt the case; ECU's dont learn over time, they in fact revert back to standard (apparently some people disconnect to prevent this happening every few weeks or so). I am/could/most likely am wrong about this, but thats what I found, so anyone who can give me the right infol; thanks.
Incidently TuneHouse said that the car would benefit from a racetune from them to get the most out of the CAI but then every service it requries the same, and that is expensive. So if Stillen wants to say now that "obviously" the car needs a tune after installation and every service, then maybe that info should be presented on the bottom of their dyno graphs, along with how many Km's it would take before you will realise the benefits of throwing away hard earned cash.
The lesson: nissan built it, nissan know best. You **** with it you play russian roullete. Stillen R&D dont compare to Nissan's dollar for dollar.
I'm going to gym, this makes me angry...might as well put it to good use.
Over and out.
02-23-2010, 08:15 PM
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i have had the stillen Gen 3 intake for over 4 months now, with excellent results. I've been a long time member here, and clubs/forums where i live in socal and salt lake city, with members in both major areas experiencing very positive gains with this intake setup.
I am not saying the OP is wrong at all, but what I can say with 100% certainty with 5 dyno pulls so far on my car with this intake, and quite a few other friends with HRs with this intake as well, is that gains are very acceptable. hell, I myself have seen an average gain of aproximately 15whp (avg of all 5 pulls) at 5000ft altitude in ogden utah. for the record, i have stillen true dual exhaust, stillen cats, and stillen gen3 intake. i went from approximately 265 whp with exhaust/cats to between 278-280whp after the intake, again, at 5000ft altitude.
also again, not disputing the OPs claims, but myself and quite a few other longtime enthusiasts have been happy with the stillen gen3 intake. i can provide video and dyno graphs if needed.
I am not saying the OP is wrong at all, but what I can say with 100% certainty with 5 dyno pulls so far on my car with this intake, and quite a few other friends with HRs with this intake as well, is that gains are very acceptable. hell, I myself have seen an average gain of aproximately 15whp (avg of all 5 pulls) at 5000ft altitude in ogden utah. for the record, i have stillen true dual exhaust, stillen cats, and stillen gen3 intake. i went from approximately 265 whp with exhaust/cats to between 278-280whp after the intake, again, at 5000ft altitude.
also again, not disputing the OPs claims, but myself and quite a few other longtime enthusiasts have been happy with the stillen gen3 intake. i can provide video and dyno graphs if needed.
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02-23-2010, 08:19 PM
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Seeing this is generating alot of traffic: Firstly this is MY experience. My mail to Stillen outlined everything, and I didnt rant or rave, I just asked for assistance. I got nothing back. Then I posted,the the flood gates opened.
I contacted technical/sales support as published on the website, how am I meant to know WHO to contact. I am not here to bash a vendor and would really want this to work. **** I've dropped enough money down this hole...
KYLE: if you want I can send you my initial mail, if you have lost it in the system.
KUHAN: It's not BS, the figures are there to back up what I've said. I had the product PROFESSIONALLY installed for F*ck's sake and checked. I checked it again with my limited knowelege. Checks were done for pinging, detonation, etc. at TuneHouse as well.
acharney: I'll check out your pages, and if there is anything else you can suggest I'm all ears. I cant find or hear any leaks so the MAP is the next area to look at. But again; reputable professional installation, now me amauteur (f**ck it more like beginner) screwing around.
If it looks like I'm bashing Stillen, sorry guys, its not the case, but whether it works or not, I will never go down this road again: for obvious reasons.
I contacted technical/sales support as published on the website, how am I meant to know WHO to contact. I am not here to bash a vendor and would really want this to work. **** I've dropped enough money down this hole...
KYLE: if you want I can send you my initial mail, if you have lost it in the system.
KUHAN: It's not BS, the figures are there to back up what I've said. I had the product PROFESSIONALLY installed for F*ck's sake and checked. I checked it again with my limited knowelege. Checks were done for pinging, detonation, etc. at TuneHouse as well.
acharney: I'll check out your pages, and if there is anything else you can suggest I'm all ears. I cant find or hear any leaks so the MAP is the next area to look at. But again; reputable professional installation, now me amauteur (f**ck it more like beginner) screwing around.
If it looks like I'm bashing Stillen, sorry guys, its not the case, but whether it works or not, I will never go down this road again: for obvious reasons.
02-23-2010, 08:27 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to post.. we understand that products going out of the country can carry some hefty add-ons in the $$ category.. and we appreciate your want to upgrade your vehicle, and is the reason we build products.. we're enthusiasts too..
Please send either Kyle or myself the original email.. we honestly did not receive, or I guarantee we would have responded: kyle@stillen.com / josh@stillen.com
I've personally checked the sales@stillen.com and orders@stillen.com and cannot find the email, and for that again I apologize.
It's been brought up that the information regarding the ECU adapting should be part of the instructions, and I am working towards making those changes as requested, so the information is more prominent. This in no way was assuming you would have this information at hand, especially with some of the information that can be lost going through a dealer of ours.
Nothing would make us happier than to help diagnose the issues you seem to be having with this intake, and hopefully find the reason why your results aren't as others.
I look forward to your email..
Josh
Please send either Kyle or myself the original email.. we honestly did not receive, or I guarantee we would have responded: kyle@stillen.com / josh@stillen.com
I've personally checked the sales@stillen.com and orders@stillen.com and cannot find the email, and for that again I apologize.
It's been brought up that the information regarding the ECU adapting should be part of the instructions, and I am working towards making those changes as requested, so the information is more prominent. This in no way was assuming you would have this information at hand, especially with some of the information that can be lost going through a dealer of ours.
Nothing would make us happier than to help diagnose the issues you seem to be having with this intake, and hopefully find the reason why your results aren't as others.
I look forward to your email..
Josh
02-23-2010, 08:32 PM
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And again to clarify.. this intake does NOT require a tune.. just a chance for the ECU to adapt to the airflow, and adjust accordingly.
The ECU in these vehicles is actually pretty aggressive, it will continue to advance timing until it sees an issue or readings from its sensors, and back things down.
The ECU in these vehicles is actually pretty aggressive, it will continue to advance timing until it sees an issue or readings from its sensors, and back things down.
02-23-2010, 11:24 PM
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02-24-2010, 06:06 AM
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Please send either Kyle or myself the original email.. we honestly did not receive, or I guarantee we would have responded: kyle@stillen.com / josh@stillen.com
I've personally checked the sales@stillen.com and orders@stillen.com and cannot find the email, and for that again I apologize.
Josh