haters

 

Not haters there just isnt enough results
one car that made more power after 6000rpm isnt a result
what about revup
what about cars (both DE and revup) with with headers and exhaust
or even a built motor

youve shown it can give the torque of the DE manifold and give more up top which is great but how much more can it give?


PS if you cant or dont want to give those comparisons at least give one vs a spacer

EDIT: or indedpendant tests?

 

If your friend is going to produce these I would be down to pay for dyno/ install time on my built na.

 

boosted if you're going for built NA (dumb IMO) but def pass on this unsuccessful part. Def invest in SG headers and cams. This thread started high then FAILED. No name shop not reputable enough for me to believe anything esp the dyno.

Btw wheres your quarter mile slip? U said its been tested.... In that 1 vid if u were actually running a quarter it looks like it took you 14+secs

 

All right, let's work this out. I think I need some advice on here to know what you guys are exactly looking for. I mean, the goal was to make a manifold that showed a power gain on the dyno, it did. The gains are higher than advertised by the Kinetix guys also. Let's start here:


Actually the before/after dyno results show a strong power gain across the entire RPM range, and a significant increase in the high RPMs:

http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/...raph1_HPTQ.png

Of course it would be best to show different dyno pulls on cars with other modifications, but I've only got the one car, and a DE manifold will not work on an HR engine.


I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, "torque of the DE manifold", because it did more torque than the stock manifold across the entire RPM range.

I should have done this as I do own a Motordyne spacer. It just all takes so much time. I'd rather get one out to someone else to try and make their own conclusions.


Something like that may work. I'll send you a PM.


How can you call this an unsuccessful part? It made decent power, fits good, works well, sounds awesome and looks cool. There is no fail here.

I guess I should drive my car to your hometown to use your favorite dyno shop then? The shop that did the testing: DB Performance
http://dbperformancetuning.com/cat/p...ID=19&CDpath=8

DB Performance is very well known and many people in the MN/SD/ND/WI/IA region feel that this is the best, or one of the best, places in the area to get any work done. People come from all over to get their cars tuned here. They use a Dyno Dynamics AWD Lowboy 450 Chassis dynamometer and we did several pulls with each setup the day of testing all done at the same time. What more do you want? LOL

I believe the dyno times prove more than a 1/4 mile slip would for this type of thing. There are too many variables to "prove" anything with 1/4 mile slips.

BTW today I ran a 14.77, weighing in at 4700lbs (heavy 19" wheels and big stereo system) on street tires at the Brainerd International Raceway.

My 60' is usually really terrible. I can never do a good job of getting off the line. I'll be the first to admit I'm not that incredible of a driver, so I'm sticking to dyno results.

 

dope looking manifold! send it to me and we'll see what kinda gains it gives on a built NA de motor!

 

Thats shows hardly no gain at all until 6000rpm (blue and red lines)
the gain that is made with a tune could quite easily be made with a tune on the stock manifold.


even though i said it makes no gain untill 6000 thats not bad becasue the DE manifold is great (good torque) untill the higher rpms where it really fails badly.
the revup manifold is better up top (than the DE) but cant produce the midrange torque that the DE and yours can.
A built motor with cams and reving 7.5 or more is what would truly show if the manifold is any good

 

Not trying to start ish, but your comment is dumb.


My originally engine took a crap on me because of OC, So for the price of a new OEM installed engine I got a built na for less.

you tell me how that is dumb.

and I already have cams.

 

I think what would really help prove this manifold is just to get it into someone else's hands to do some independent dyno comparisons.

 

Free manifold for the testers?

 

doubtful that would make sense.

 

Favorite parts of the video was the clip of the sky through your windshield as well as the picture of your car on the strip.

 

I will be dyno testing this manifold on friday. My current setup is VQ35DE (G35 auto sedan), 5/16th spacer, revup air box, HR y pipe, HFC, and coupe midpipe, 100shot of zex. My car is untuned and running lean. I will first, dyno it as is, get it tuned at CIN using osiris, then swap manifold, tune and dyno it again to see the gains.

Any questions or suggestions?

 

interesting. Ill have to call Ben and get some more info on this.

 

I tested this manifold against a stock manifold with a 5/16th spacer. My car is a 2005 G35 Sedan Auto with VQ35DE. Mods are kinetix cats, HR Y pipe, Ztube, 5/16th spacer, Rev up air box. The car was first base lined, then tuned. Manifold was installed (car stayed strapped to the dyno), car was retuned and dynoed again. Manifold didnt give me any power. I lost power thru out the band. It does look like the manifold might have made more power if I rev the motor to 7200. My car is a DE, with stock valve springs, and 127k miles. Revving that high aint safe. The stock manifold with a spacer gives more power thru out the power band.

 

I also tested this manifold with a 100 shot of Zex nitrous using a single fogger. Zex rates their shots at the crank, so at the wheels its maybe a 80hp gain. Using this manifold and the 100shot, I gained 71hp at the wheels and 142 ft-lb of torque. Torque was very very high.

 

Thanks for posting your results! We never did get to test it against a spacer, only a stock intake manifold.

 

As I stated earlier, a waste of money. Im sure it gave Bobby and Ben a good laugh at CIN

 

This manifold still has strong benefits that a spacer cannot give:

Lightweight, 15.5 lbs lighter than the stock manifold (72% Less Weight)
Runs Cooler than the stock setup
Ability to run direct port nitrous injection
"Probably" better with forced induction (Still no tests here)
And it looks much better than the stock manifold

 

^ No offense, but "probably" doesn't cut it and looks are subjective, so that's actually just 3 potential benefits. I only say potential because most people don't care about the weight or the temps because they don't race and very few people have nitrous set ups, let alone direct port.

I was honestly hoping for more positive results, but I figured this would be similar to the Kinetix V5, considering it's almost the same design.