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Old May 4, 2012 | 11:52 AM
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pretty interesting test about cold air intake

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Old May 4, 2012 | 12:16 PM
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@ 2:17... What?
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Originally Posted by Fillipe
pretty interesting test about cold air intake
Ok, so this is somewhat good that they are using a dyno, and they are doing multiple runs. And they do show an improvement in both air temperature and power when done in the extreme case (just not a big one).

BUT...

Here is the fundamental thing missing: air pressure at speed against the front of the car. This is a big factor, because all of the horsepower spent maintaining speed is pushing against the air. You can't get this kind of pressure from a fan, since as we know, the force is directly proportional to velocity squared across the front (which is why cars max out around 220 mph). In F1 cars, this is enough to generate multiple Gs of downforce. This is also where open filters will suck in a lot more air, since the air is pressurized beyond 1 atm. In fact, if you could get the force of the air on the front of the car through a venturi filter, you could in theory get +1 atm on the airbox, the same as a regular turbocharger.

You will at least see a few psi increase a highway speeds. That is what you feel when you stick your hand out the window. Thus, their testing is missing a critical factor that, combined with their results, would produce bigger gains.

Thus, MYTH PLAUSIBLE.

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the other thing left out is tuning... you introduce more air you need more fuel.
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Originally Posted by MaelstrØm
Ok, so this is somewhat good that they are using a dyno, and they are doing multiple runs. And they do show an improvement in both air temperature and power when done in the extreme case (just not a big one).

BUT...

Here is the fundamental thing missing: air pressure at speed against the front of the car. This is a big factor, because all of the horsepower spent maintaining speed is pushing against the air. You can't get this kind of pressure from a fan, since as we know, the force is directly proportional to velocity squared across the front (which is why cars max out around 220 mph). In F1 cars, this is enough to generate multiple Gs of downforce. This is also where open filters will suck in a lot more air, since the air is pressurized beyond 1 atm. In fact, if you could get the force of the air on the front of the car through a venturi filter, you could in theory get +1 atm on the airbox, the same as a regular turbocharger.



You will at least see a few psi increase a highway speeds. That is what you feel when you stick your hand out the window. Thus, their testing is missing a critical factor that, combined with their results, would produce bigger gains.

Thus, MYTH PLAUSIBLE.
I don't even know where to start on this, but with a perfect ram air system you will not get more than 2 to 3 PSI and that will never be positive. If your pulling 10psi vacumm , ram air may drop it to 7psi vacumm , never positive like an FI system.

Originally Posted by Barnabas
the other thing left out is tuning... you introduce more air you need more fuel.
Very true , also the supporting mods like headers, exhaust , cams etc etc Many parts do little by themselves, but work together as a whole.

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Old May 4, 2012 | 01:33 PM
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Now members will be putting the filter on the end of a long tube, and affixing it to the front bumper.
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Saw this they dident use a cai made for that car they do somthing injen long tubes help to lean the car out a bit combine that and an exhaust setup and your pretty close to not needing a tune the tube will refine it but it gets it in the ballpark
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Originally Posted by R350Zz33
Saw this they dident use a cai made for that car they do somthing injen long tubes help to lean the car out a bit combine that and an exhaust setup and your pretty close to not needing a tune the tube will refine it but it gets it in the ballpark
Maybe im slow, or maybe its the longest run-on sentence of the month.
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Originally Posted by R350Zz33
Saw this they dident use a cai made for that car they do somthing injen long tubes help to lean the car out a bit combine that and an exhaust setup and your pretty close to not needing a tune the tube will refine it but it gets it in the ballpark
so it leans it out but the tune is close enough?? How does that even make sense.

If you introduce more airflow you need to add more fuel to see true power gains.
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Well...it's a TURBO and trying to *cool* PRE boosted air won't do CHIT!
It's cooling the PRESSURIZED AIR that matters.... READ>>>>INTERCOOLER.
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@ 2:17... What?
What's wrong with a little *** play when checking out rides

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This site sucks sometimes sorry for double post
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Originally Posted by Barnabas
so it leans it out but the tune is close enough?? How does that even make sense.

If you introduce more airflow you need to add more fuel to see true power gains.
Sorry posted this from my phone. What I'm saying is the intake helps to lean out the rich conditions caused by test pipes or hfc along with an exhaust there for getting the afr a little better in cheack but a tune will better refine it and help with drivability. Does that make more sense
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Originally Posted by ronn1
Well...it's a TURBO and trying to *cool* PRE boosted air won't do CHIT!
It's cooling the PRESSURIZED AIR that matters.... READ>>>>INTERCOOLER.
the colder the "pre-boosted" air the easier it will be to cool pressurized air, so i dont see how it wouldnt serve a purpose?
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Originally Posted by Contra
the colder the "pre-boosted" air the easier it will be to cool pressurized air, so i dont see how it wouldnt serve a purpose?
you're not going to get any appreciable gains in trying to cool pre boosted air...waste of time. All efforts should be on cooling the ... PRESSURIZED SUPERHEATED air.
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Did everyone seriously miss 2:17 in the video?
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I dont see how you could miss it. that was full grabish.
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This video has been doing the rounds of late, but i still had to look to see that grab :P
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Originally Posted by davidv
Now members will be putting the filter on the end of a long tube, and affixing it to the front bumper.
Yep,I can see it comming...
Some type of screen covered with LEDS that goes over the cone filter stickin out about a foot from the bumper.With a HR,this would double the effect
and fun.
They are workin on this in Taiwan as I post.

Check E-Bay.
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Originally Posted by PikesPeakZ
What's wrong with a little *** play when checking out rides
I didn't see a damn thing...and I looked 5 times at 2:17
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