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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 11:03 AM
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.... To attack the tester. It's this kind of thing that will prevent people from undertaking testing. Who would want to go through a barage of insults for posting results? As more and more of this happens, there will be less and less useful information posted.
First....I'm not pro-anybody. I'm pro-whatevermakesmycarfaster LOL
And I really can't believe that you're sooo thick that you don't understand that the entire reason this thread has gotten so many negative posts on it is because of your reputation as being anti-Crawford, your first post in this thread, your laughable "review", and your utter ignorance.
I'll ask you again, do you see any other threads being attacked with such intensity?
Enough..I'm off to go enjoy driving my ride.
Peace out
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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And I really can't believe that you're sooo thick that you don't understand that the entire reason this thread has gotten so many negative posts on it is because of your reputation as being anti-Crawford, your first post in this thread, your laughable "review", and your utter ignorance.
I'll ask you again, do you see any other threads being attacked with such intensity?
Heh, I guess you don't want this thread to die.

Believe whatever you want because, I think I explained to you above, I have nothing but contempt for you.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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I was waiting for you to post so that we could settle this up.
I think this speaks volumes. It was "settled" until you PM'd me.

Just stare at it till everyone understands. You were waiting for me to respond to your threatening PM? That is pathetic. You admit to being rude to females trying to hand out name tags even in your own city and now you are spreading your hatred to PM's. No libel or slander there.

Admit it Dan, this isn't about plenums anymore is it?

You can wait until Christmas if you want I am not going to go back and forth with you, the people who bought the product you seem to be on a mission to discredit still like it, get over it and yourself. I have challenged you to a race, yes that is how we settle things here, what were you expecting a fight? Lol.... A lawsuit? BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

You are 6 hours away, I can call you on your BS, I take your answer to my race challenge as a NO? I take all your other BS with a grain of salt. The dyno and thread about it could have been handled better, I thought maybe you would admit that and try again with a stock car but based on your responses here now , even if you did, I wouldn't bother reading it, you **seem** to need some type of help.

I can't help you, perhaps the Dr. has something for what troubles you?

Have a good weekend, I too am going for a ride in my Crawford Car down Broadway with the Crawford Clique throwing up the C's in the air!

Eat my dust.
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Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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I think this speaks volumes. It was "settled" until you PM'd me.

I can't help you, perhaps the Dr. has something for what troubles you?

Have a good weekend, I too am going for a ride in my Crawford Car down Broadway with the Crawford Clique throwing up the C's in the air!

Eat my dust.
What it tells you is that you can't handle things one on one. Whenever someone calls you on your ********, you will post away looking for whatever support group you can find. That's why I knew to expect your post.

You're bipolar and you're passive agressive, Max. When someone is nice to you, you're best buds. When you don't like something, you go flying off the handle, ranting and raving. If anyone needs to see a doctor, you could stand to see one, if not a team of shrinks. Don't they have anger management classes for officers? Do yourself a favor, go see one before you hurt someone out in the field.

Eat my dust? LOL.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by hfm
Actually, there are in fact problems with the results. Saint hasn't posted about this so I will. Doug advised Zx that when he had done dyno runs with an AEM filter, he got low results. The explanation is that the long tubing conflicts with the plenum. I believe Doug. So, I posted something about this above.

The dyno is just another set of information for the plenum and shouldn't be taken as gospel anymore so than any other results.

As for the attacks on credibility, character and attitude and whether the results are discredited as a result, they stem from the fact that there is a large Crawford fan base. It's the reason why there are no attacks on the Kinetix thread. If someone posted something critical about Kinetix plenum after a fan base is established there, the tester would be swarmed.

You're right, it's politics. The Crawford fans are stepping up to defend the plenum in the only way they can. To attack the tester. It's this kind of thing that will prevent people from undertaking testing. Who would want to go through a barage of insults for posting results? As more and more of this happens, there will be less and less useful information posted.
This thread is getting completely out of hand. This is not about pro/anti Crawford. I am not sure when this turned to a series of personal attacks, but we should be above this. This is the internet. We are all tough guys. Some of us want to get FACTS not all of the other opinions and politics. The Crawford plenum was the first mod I had considered, but I don't want to lose the strut brace. HFM we (though not apparent) appreciate your efforts. But, on the other hand, nobody here would consider you to be IMPARTIAL regarding Crawford. Had I posted the same dyno and posts, there would not have been nearly the fallout.

12SecZ, you are right this is not about plenums anymore. That being said, do you (both) think that we can end this show of bravado and get back to the point: the plenum. If you (HFM, et. al.) decide to dyno again w/o the AEM I, for one, would be interested in the results.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
-- William Shakespeare

Any suggestions who to start with?
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by randyshemin@comcast.
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
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Any suggestions who to start with?


Randy, you're genuinely funny!
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:40 PM
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Very well said, Miguel.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by jooklum99
But, on the other hand, nobody here would consider you to be IMPARTIAL regarding Crawford. Had I posted the same dyno and posts, there would not have been nearly the fallout.

Actually, I'm sure I'm coming across as impartial after all the fallout. I chose not to use tact with a few persons on this thread because they don't deserve to be treated nicely when they don't extend the same courtesy.

Hell, maybe after all the flack I've taken from Crawford fans, I may be impartial.

But, Vandy and Doug felt I would be impartial enough to send me the plenum. And, had the results been better, I probably would have kept the plenum since Vandy offered me a generous discount.

Jooklum, I'm sorry if you see me as impartial. When you say that, I have to stop and say, yes, I should have used more tact when responding to personal attacks. But, shoot me, I'm human.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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I don't think it is necessary to refer to all those that disagree with you as "jerks", nor to say to someone that you have nothing but contempt for them because they have an opinion which differs from yours.

Yes, I live in Nashville, yes, I know all the Crawford "pimps" (Doug for 17 years), but I don't understand why you don't recognize that you opened yourself up to all this by your obvious anti-Crawford sentiments from the start, as has been stated here over and over again.

I tried to post something humorous, but frankly, none of this is really funny!
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:44 PM
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I think HFM likes me and is in denial, either that or he really is a jerk, either way he needs help. Some pretty extreme words he is hurling around over a plenum, won't back any of it up though just a crap talker. Took 3 paragraphs and made them into one with all of my posts. His posts mirror him, so consider that when reading his "plenum review."

I have decided to ignore him, maybe he will chalk this up as a "win" and just shut up for good. One can always dream. HFM you win! Good job man! Now STFU and go away lol. I will not respond to your whacked out BS anymore, the review is over and admittedly in error.

Peas!
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by hfm
Actually, there are in fact problems with the results. Saint hasn't posted about this so I will. Doug advised Zx that when he had done dyno runs with an AEM filter, he got low results. The explanation is that the long tubing conflicts with the plenum. I believe Doug. So, I posted something about this above.

The dyno is just another set of information for the plenum and shouldn't be taken as gospel anymore so than any other results.

As for the attacks on credibility, character and attitude and whether the results are discredited as a result, they stem from the fact that there is a large Crawford fan base. It's the reason why there are no attacks on the Kinetix thread. If someone posted something critical about Kinetix plenum after a fan base is established there, the tester would be swarmed.

You're right, it's politics. The Crawford fans are stepping up to defend the plenum in the only way they can. To attack the tester. It's this kind of thing that will prevent people from undertaking testing. Who would want to go through a barage of insults for posting results? As more and more of this happens, there will be less and less useful information posted.
You really are oblivious aren't you, hfm? If you'll read back through the thread you'll note that I supported your effort from the beginning, but Christ.

Read what you are typing. Why is it politics? Because Crawford fans are stepping up to defend the plenum in the only way they can? Attacking the tester? Dude, they are not all Crawford fans who attacked you, and the Crawford fans that are attacking you are attacking you because of your actions prior to the dyno and your review that was not independant. You attribute all this backlash to the results, when in reality this backlash is the reaction to your postings over the past few months(?). You put no blame on yourself for your previous actions. You only blame the ignorance and short-sightedness of others.

And as for 12SecZ, if you have him pegged for a passive aggressive, bipolar animal, why do you continue to provoke him? The bigger man doesn't need to get the last word. Sometimes silence speaks volumes. You are polluting the thread as much as he is now.

And on a side note (if you could call it that), I'm throwing my version 5 plenum on a stock Z March 13th. If i get another stock Z at my dyno day who is willing to do the test, we'll get two dynos. I was speaking with LSD and if we're lucking out, maybe we'll even have the Kinetix plenum there too, although he is very busy and there might not be an extra prototype sitting around.

Dan
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:52 PM
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I have a solution to this!

We all go get HFM (DAN) drunk.

We paint the town ending up at a tatoo shop, we have Crawford tattoed on his azz REAL BIG.

Then every night it's the last thing his boyfriend will see before going to bed??? LOL.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:53 PM
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You are polluting the thread as much as he is now.

Dan
The thread was pretty much done yesterday. It came up again today because I PMed Max about his personal attack. So, yes, everything posted today is pretty much crap. That's the cost of making things personal.

Good luck on your dyno runs Dan.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:54 PM
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Then every night it's the last thing his boyfriend will see before going to bed??? LOL.
Got to hand it to you Max. You're gifted with your ability to throw insults. Guess that's why things didn't work out with your girl.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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Thanks. Maybe I'll even post the dynos. Who knows.

Anyway, can I bet on this boxing match?
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 12:59 PM
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Thanks. Maybe I'll even post the dynos. Who knows.

Anyway, can I bet on this boxing match?
Put $10 on Max for me. He's an officer, he'd kick my @ss.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by randyshemin@comcast.
“The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
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Any suggestions who to start with?
That's a great idea! But wait, then who will prosecute the cases that I have worked so hard to make?

Where are the adults on this forum? I dare you to find a kindergarten in this country with so much juvenile behavior.

"It is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - M. Twain

Lock this down SpeedRacer.
Old Feb 13, 2004 | 01:07 PM
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Yes, agreed, childish. Thread lock is appropriate.
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I don't need to tell you who said that one. But if you don't know, it was me. I said it.



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