Interesting pop-charger observation
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Installed my JWT pop-charger today...and man does it sound mean...
My girlfriend fell asleep early tonight and I was bored around midnight so I went out "hunting" with the new intake.
Took out a 99+ stang GT, RSX-S and my buddies 6-speed G35 sedan....nothing new...nothing exciting...
Anyway...after being out for about an hour in 50 degree weather I got home and popped my hood...and felt the pop-charger...the thing was ICE COLD....and even my stock upper intake tube was very cool....HOT AIR INTAKE MY A$$...
I'm really glad I didn't waste the extra $$ on a CAI...since I just got one for 100 bucks
My girlfriend fell asleep early tonight and I was bored around midnight so I went out "hunting" with the new intake.
Took out a 99+ stang GT, RSX-S and my buddies 6-speed G35 sedan....nothing new...nothing exciting...
Anyway...after being out for about an hour in 50 degree weather I got home and popped my hood...and felt the pop-charger...the thing was ICE COLD....and even my stock upper intake tube was very cool....HOT AIR INTAKE MY A$$...
I'm really glad I didn't waste the extra $$ on a CAI...since I just got one for 100 bucks
I think you did, its just loud and not really making any power. Dynoing intakes doesnt hold any water. When you dyno, your hood is up thus giving an advantage to the "popcharger", becuase it is exposed to open air.
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
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Originally posted by FairladyZ
I think you did, its just loud and not really making any power. Dynoing intakes doesnt hold any water. When you dyno, your hood is up thus giving an advantage to the "popcharger", becuase it is exposed to open air.
I think you did, its just loud and not really making any power. Dynoing intakes doesnt hold any water. When you dyno, your hood is up thus giving an advantage to the "popcharger", becuase it is exposed to open air.
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
Last edited by BriGuyMax; Apr 23, 2004 at 11:49 PM.
I think you did, its just loud and not really making any power. Dynoing intakes doesnt hold any water. When you dyno, your hood is up thus giving an advantage to the "popcharger", becuase it is exposed to open air. In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
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Originally posted by SoBe
Wow that is the dumbest thing ive heard... Yes in a dyno the Pop charger gets more air because of the hood open, but it gets just as much with the hood closed and driving. Since on a dyno the car is not moving if you had the hood closed you would have absolutly no air at all and it would not simulate real driving conditions. Some CAI's go as low as to your front bumper but hey when it rains a lot it will affect its performance. Save yourself the money if your going for performance and get the pop charger. If your into show get a CAI.
Wow that is the dumbest thing ive heard... Yes in a dyno the Pop charger gets more air because of the hood open, but it gets just as much with the hood closed and driving. Since on a dyno the car is not moving if you had the hood closed you would have absolutly no air at all and it would not simulate real driving conditions. Some CAI's go as low as to your front bumper but hey when it rains a lot it will affect its performance. Save yourself the money if your going for performance and get the pop charger. If your into show get a CAI.
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Originally posted by FairladyZ
We can do a real world challange my auto with only a CAI against your 6spd with a popcharger. I will even drive to you.
We can do a real world challange my auto with only a CAI against your 6spd with a popcharger. I will even drive to you.
BTW - about your other post, I never said ANYTHING about my car "feeling" faster. You can't "feel" 5whp...read my post again.
Does the pop-charger and CAI sound the same under WOT?
On another note, you know what really bothers me? How unscientific the car modding scene can be. Companies do all this reaserch, make a product, and it has very little reproduceability. This is because of weather, elevation, ECU, etc., etc. The pop-charger CAI debates will gon on forever. There's got to be SOME way of proving which provides better gains.
On an aside, I really will only get the pop-charger for the sound. I won't be looking for gains. CAI's are too expensive (good ones).
On another note, you know what really bothers me? How unscientific the car modding scene can be. Companies do all this reaserch, make a product, and it has very little reproduceability. This is because of weather, elevation, ECU, etc., etc. The pop-charger CAI debates will gon on forever. There's got to be SOME way of proving which provides better gains.
On an aside, I really will only get the pop-charger for the sound. I won't be looking for gains. CAI's are too expensive (good ones).
Last edited by phile; Apr 24, 2004 at 08:48 AM.
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Originally posted by FairladyZ
I am sorry, I mentioned dyno because sound plays funny to the "butt dyno". Like I said glad you like it.
Also are you sure it was ICE COLD? That is pretty cold.
I am sorry, I mentioned dyno because sound plays funny to the "butt dyno". Like I said glad you like it.
Also are you sure it was ICE COLD? That is pretty cold.
all I'm saying is the pop-charger gets PLENTY of cold air under real world driving conditions.
Originally posted by FairladyZ
I think you did, its just loud and not really making any power. Dynoing intakes doesnt hold any water. When you dyno, your hood is up thus giving an advantage to the "popcharger", becuase it is exposed to open air.
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
I think you did, its just loud and not really making any power. Dynoing intakes doesnt hold any water. When you dyno, your hood is up thus giving an advantage to the "popcharger", becuase it is exposed to open air.
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Next time someone dynos the popcharger close the hood.
Glad you like it though!
btw, why is someone with a 5AT so interested in racing??
IF CAI on our Z is that good, how come we don't see them on Mine's Z, Espirit'Z and many Japan's time attack, racing and dirifting Z. Even NISMO JAPAN doesn't use CAI.
Somthing works for HONDA, doesn't mean it will work for Zs.
Somthing works for HONDA, doesn't mean it will work for Zs.
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Originally posted by phile
Does the pop-charger and CAI sound the same under WOT?
On another note, you know what really bothers me? How unscientific the car modding scene can be. Companies do all this reaserch, make a product, and it has very little reproduceability. This is because of weather, elevation, ECU, etc., etc. The pop-charger CAI debates will gon on forever. There's got to be SOME way of proving which provides better gains.
On an aside, I really will only get the pop-charger for the sound. I won't be looking for gains. CAI's are too expensive (good ones).
Does the pop-charger and CAI sound the same under WOT?
On another note, you know what really bothers me? How unscientific the car modding scene can be. Companies do all this reaserch, make a product, and it has very little reproduceability. This is because of weather, elevation, ECU, etc., etc. The pop-charger CAI debates will gon on forever. There's got to be SOME way of proving which provides better gains.
On an aside, I really will only get the pop-charger for the sound. I won't be looking for gains. CAI's are too expensive (good ones).
I personally think it's a waste of time anyway...intakes on this car on get you around 5whp anyway...so get which ever one you like the most...don't base your decision on gains as they are minimal...I got my popcharger for looks and sound...not HP.
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My whole point of this post was to tell everyone that I like the quality and sound of the popcharger and that it gets a nice supply of cold air contrary to many people's beliefs.
My point was NOT to start another CAI vs. Popcharger debate, because franky it's retarded to argue about hp gain differences that are less than 10whp...
My point was NOT to start another CAI vs. Popcharger debate, because franky it's retarded to argue about hp gain differences that are less than 10whp...
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
My point was NOT to start another CAI vs. Popcharger debate, because franky it's retarded to argue about hp gain differences that are less than 10whp...
My point was NOT to start another CAI vs. Popcharger debate, because franky it's retarded to argue about hp gain differences that are less than 10whp...
Originally posted by phile
We're a bunch of OT warriors in here. All I have to say is that if the JTW pop-charger only takes in hot engine air as FairladyZ stated, then the fact that yours was cold after an hour of driving would be some violation of the laws of physics. Since that's a ridiculous notion, I'm going to assume that the JWT intake doesn't only take in hot engine air.
We're a bunch of OT warriors in here. All I have to say is that if the JTW pop-charger only takes in hot engine air as FairladyZ stated, then the fact that yours was cold after an hour of driving would be some violation of the laws of physics. Since that's a ridiculous notion, I'm going to assume that the JWT intake doesn't only take in hot engine air.
Anyway, I touched the stock intake pipe and it was nice and cold. It doesn't get heat soaked like a metal CAI pipe does, so it wins in that department. The JWT just opens up the flow for more air.
Oh, it was just below freezing last night ~31 degrees.
Originally posted by FairladyZ
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
In the real world the popcharger "sees" only hot eninge air because the hood is closed and the engine is "sealed" from the bottom. Where as a CAI "sees" only cool outside air, and is away from the hot air being released from the motor and exhaust manifolds, etc.
Damn, you don't need a GED to figure that out.
Originally posted by Z8M
That is true with any intake (stock, CAI or Popcharger). When your car is not in motion, as in park with the engine running, of course hot air from the engine is going to be everywhere. That is what the intake is sucking in. There is no air movement. In the "real world" who drives their car like that
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Damn, you don't need a GED to figure that out.
That is true with any intake (stock, CAI or Popcharger). When your car is not in motion, as in park with the engine running, of course hot air from the engine is going to be everywhere. That is what the intake is sucking in. There is no air movement. In the "real world" who drives their car like that
Damn, you don't need a GED to figure that out.
When the car is in motion, ambient air is blowing all throughout the engine compartment, thus cold air is being supplied to the JWT. The only time you wont get cold air really is when the car is idling for a long time and hot air is "trapped" under the hood. Personally, I think that CAI's are a novelty really..




