Help diagnose: 80+mph vibration, also with braking
2003 touring
100,000+ miles
new tires all around with 4 wheel alingment.
symptoms: car rides fine until i start passing 80mph, then a moderate vibration happens, also can feel some vibration when braking.
where should i start?
any common problems that can cause this?
100,000+ miles
new tires all around with 4 wheel alingment.
symptoms: car rides fine until i start passing 80mph, then a moderate vibration happens, also can feel some vibration when braking.
where should i start?
any common problems that can cause this?
O.K.,new tires all around.Where did you get the tires?Was it a "chain" tire store?
Do you have stock wheels?
My first thought is that your tires were not balanced correctly.From my experience,
the personnel at some of these tire stores do not know how to balance tires correctly.
Or,they are in a hurry...like,"thats good enough"...Being off a qtr of an ounce at high speeds will make a difference.Furthermore,OEM Z wheels and aftermarket require adhesive weights.Not the standard bang on move etc.If your car did not experience this "vibration" before the new tire were installed,I'd think it was a balance problem.You could have a defective tire,
but that is doubtful.By the way,what brand are the tires?
If it were me,I'd take your car to a shop that is known for precise balancing.I would'nt take it back to the place that you bought the tires unless they have someone on board
that knows what they are doing.
Ironically,I had your same problem a few weeks ago with another vehicle I own.
Was out of town,a front tire hit a large bolt.Could not be fixed.The front were shot anyway,had the fronts replaced.Same prob as your...vibration at about 70.Shimmy when braking.When I got back into town,took my vehicle to my regular guy.He rebalanced the two.Cost me 20 bucks.Car rides perfect!
Do you have stock wheels?
My first thought is that your tires were not balanced correctly.From my experience,
the personnel at some of these tire stores do not know how to balance tires correctly.
Or,they are in a hurry...like,"thats good enough"...Being off a qtr of an ounce at high speeds will make a difference.Furthermore,OEM Z wheels and aftermarket require adhesive weights.Not the standard bang on move etc.If your car did not experience this "vibration" before the new tire were installed,I'd think it was a balance problem.You could have a defective tire,
but that is doubtful.By the way,what brand are the tires?
If it were me,I'd take your car to a shop that is known for precise balancing.I would'nt take it back to the place that you bought the tires unless they have someone on board
that knows what they are doing.
Ironically,I had your same problem a few weeks ago with another vehicle I own.
Was out of town,a front tire hit a large bolt.Could not be fixed.The front were shot anyway,had the fronts replaced.Same prob as your...vibration at about 70.Shimmy when braking.When I got back into town,took my vehicle to my regular guy.He rebalanced the two.Cost me 20 bucks.Car rides perfect!
Last edited by JCITY; Aug 5, 2012 at 04:18 PM.
Balance most likely, normally bad rims you are going to feel it at all speeds. Not that i would EVER condone going over the limit (
) but keep going faster, it should smooth out again, does it smooth out?
vibration braking has almost nothing to do with tires unless you have really bad scalloping/feathering on the tires and somehow don't notice it driving, most likely need a resurface, maybe pads too
) but keep going faster, it should smooth out again, does it smooth out?vibration braking has almost nothing to do with tires unless you have really bad scalloping/feathering on the tires and somehow don't notice it driving, most likely need a resurface, maybe pads too
Balance most likely, normally bad rims you are going to feel it at all speeds. Not that i would EVER condone going over the limit (
) but keep going faster, it should smooth out again, does it smooth out?
vibration braking has almost nothing to do with tires unless you have really bad scalloping/feathering on the tires and somehow don't notice it driving, most likely need a resurface, maybe pads too
) but keep going faster, it should smooth out again, does it smooth out?vibration braking has almost nothing to do with tires unless you have really bad scalloping/feathering on the tires and somehow don't notice it driving, most likely need a resurface, maybe pads too
Balance most likely, normally bad rims you are going to feel it at all speeds. Not that i would EVER condone going over the limit (
) but keep going faster, it should smooth out again, does it smooth out?
vibration braking has almost nothing to do with tires unless you have really bad scalloping/feathering on the tires and somehow don't notice it driving, most likely need a resurface, maybe pads too
) but keep going faster, it should smooth out again, does it smooth out?vibration braking has almost nothing to do with tires unless you have really bad scalloping/feathering on the tires and somehow don't notice it driving, most likely need a resurface, maybe pads too
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For all the people quick to say warped rotors...
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/...ibration.shtml
Sounds like a combination problem. You have deposits on your rotor(s) which gives you the vibration under braking. Then probem number two is you have a wheel(s) out of balance which gives you the vibration at ~80mph.
In other news, quick hijack
My car has a pulsing vibration wich is only noticeable around 80mph. By pulsing I mean it goes from completely smooth then a vibration builds for 2 or so seconds until it reaches its maximum then slowly goes away for 2 or so seconds (then repeat). It's very slight and I've narrowed it down to either tires and/or alignment. A buddy of mine told me that it could be unevenly worn tires resonating at almost the resonance frequency of the front end's harmonics giving me that peculiar feedback. Makes sense to me. I'm about to throw new tires on it anyway so no worries.
What do you think? Ever heard of something like it?
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/...ibration.shtml
Sounds like a combination problem. You have deposits on your rotor(s) which gives you the vibration under braking. Then probem number two is you have a wheel(s) out of balance which gives you the vibration at ~80mph.
In other news, quick hijack
My car has a pulsing vibration wich is only noticeable around 80mph. By pulsing I mean it goes from completely smooth then a vibration builds for 2 or so seconds until it reaches its maximum then slowly goes away for 2 or so seconds (then repeat). It's very slight and I've narrowed it down to either tires and/or alignment. A buddy of mine told me that it could be unevenly worn tires resonating at almost the resonance frequency of the front end's harmonics giving me that peculiar feedback. Makes sense to me. I'm about to throw new tires on it anyway so no worries.
What do you think? Ever heard of something like it?
Last edited by zswickliffe; Aug 10, 2012 at 05:35 PM.
sorry been away taking care of finals.
- i had the same problem before i put the new tires on.
-bought them brand new from tires.com set of sumitomo htr a/s po1
- i took it to a chain tire place and had all wheel alingment.
im gonna go back and get these balanced and see if that helped. but im sure i got them balanced when i got the alingment.
but also vibrates when i brake.
- i had the same problem before i put the new tires on.
-bought them brand new from tires.com set of sumitomo htr a/s po1
- i took it to a chain tire place and had all wheel alingment.
im gonna go back and get these balanced and see if that helped. but im sure i got them balanced when i got the alingment.
but also vibrates when i brake.
If this is a night and day change from old to new tires for both symptoms, I would say balance and wheel installation issues.
If the guy went at the wheels with an impact gun and torqued the lug nuts unevenly you could have induced runout in the rotor/wheel assembly.
Couple that with bad balance and there you go.
If the guy went at the wheels with an impact gun and torqued the lug nuts unevenly you could have induced runout in the rotor/wheel assembly.
Couple that with bad balance and there you go.
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