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Old Mar 6, 2003 | 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
There was no "Toyota guy" in this thread....obviously the person who started this thread did so as a joke....and the part about "racing Corolla Type Rs" in his profile is also a joke.....

BTW Guy who "knows what he's talking about": Hondas don't have v-tech...they have VTEC. And furthermore Honda's VTEC is the LEAST advanced variable timing system..Toyota's VVT-i, BMWs DOUBLE VANOS, and Nissan's VTC are all newer and more "advanced" systems....
Ducati Desmodromic owns them all. No need for variable valve timing when you're just plain better
Old Mar 6, 2003 | 08:04 PM
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sorry i did not know that his post was a joke. Nissans variable timing system is not as good as honda's. Don't bash me for quick post I was trying to make a quick point. I had no clue that he was joking i thought he was just another rice boy. By the way VTEC is variable timing and lift electronically controlled. they just left out the lift part. So anyway I love nissan i have had two it is what I currently drive. I just think hondas sytem is better at the moment. Also I don't know about BMW's one but as far as nissan it is new tech to nissan and not as well developed as honda's. But this is just my opinion. My sr20 motor is older doesn't mean there are alot of newer cars with similar specs blowing my nissan away. In fact the spec-v which is a newer nissan motor with VTC and it is not beating me. Newer Tech is not always better aagin this is quick post don't be to hard on my typing
How is Honda's "better"??? It is the most simple of all variable timing and lift systems. It is either "on" or "off". It is NOT continously and infinitely variable like the other systems are.

As for nissans VTC system being "new" The 93-94 Nissan Maxima with the VE30DE motor had VTC....yup...definitely not very developed in TEN YEARS.
Old Mar 7, 2003 | 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
How is Honda's "better"??? It is the most simple of all variable timing and lift systems. It is either "on" or "off". It is NOT continously and infinitely variable like the other systems are.
Because Import Tuner magazine sez VTEC makes mad powah yo - it's off tha hizzie.

Seriously, from the cars I've driven that had variable valve timing (Civic Si & Celica GT-S), it seemed like variable valve timing was just a way to get peak power numbers up for the sake of advertising. The Civic wasn't as bad, but you had to spin the Celica up to 6K to get any power out of the thing. A real shame too, we were seriously looking at one for the wife.
Old Mar 7, 2003 | 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by Caswell
Because Import Tuner magazine sez VTEC makes mad powah yo - it's off tha hizzie.

Seriously, from the cars I've driven that had variable valve timing (Civic Si & Celica GT-S), it seemed like variable valve timing was just a way to get peak power numbers up for the sake of advertising. The Civic wasn't as bad, but you had to spin the Celica up to 6K to get any power out of the thing. A real shame too, we were seriously looking at one for the wife.
Sure you aren't just saying that being biased because you drive a car with a big V8? I am thinking that if you drove a similar engine without the variable valve timing but similar specs you'd realize that the VTEC and others are good, but the other is just much worse. Perhaps? Just speculation, dunno what you have test driven.
Old Mar 7, 2003 | 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
How is Honda's "better"??? It is the most simple of all variable timing and lift systems. It is either "on" or "off". It is NOT continously and infinitely variable like the other systems are.

As for nissans VTC system being "new" The 93-94 Nissan Maxima with the VE30DE motor had VTC....yup...definitely not very developed in TEN YEARS.
VTEC is a combination of two different technologies, the first being variable valve timing, the second being lift control.

Many manufacturers have used variable valve timing over the last forty years. It is not a new technology per se, but Honda was the first company to use it in a mass production model. VVT for short is mostly about controlling emissions, not performance enhancement, especially during cold starts when emissions are worst. VVT is just what it sounds like, it varies the timing of the opening and closing of the valves. VVT can be utilized on intake and exhaust valves separately, like intake only as is the case on the SVT Focus, or exhaust only, or on all valves, depends on the system.

Electronic lift control is a fancy way of offering good torque development down low in the RPM range and offering good torque development up high in the RPM range. Usually doing so is an oxymoron from a camshaft perspective. Nowadays that's not so much the case when using reverse split camshaft designs and so forth, especially in engines like the 350Z and LS1's where there's enough displacement to develop decent torque down low without sacrificing high end RPM torque generation.

With smaller displacement engines it's another story, so the camshaft is built with two different lobes per cylinder, one to enhance low end RPM torque generation, and a different lobe specifically geared for very high RPM performance. An electronic CPU/brain determines when in the RPM range to cut over to the second lobe to maximize high RPM torque. Lift control gives the best of both worlds, and Honda was also the first company to pioneer this technology in mass production.

Toyota has VVTL-I (I think that's what it is in the Celica GT-S models), Nissan's Spec-V uses only VVT type technology (no lift - otherwise it'd have a much higher redline than 6200RPM) for emissions mostly given the large displacement I4. SVT Focus uses VVT on the intake valves only (or maybe the Focus uses it on intake only and the SVT uses it on both exhaust/intake, can't remember). Anyways, I'm sure most folks here already know all this but I figured it might help at least a few people understand the basic differences...

VTEC is a bit outdated in that the VVT technology wasn't variable, it was fixed from the factory. i-VTEC is the new generation that introduces infinitely variable valve timing for Honda engines, which further enhances low emissions and efficient use of fuel and exhaust in the cylinder, which therefore enhances MPG. Yes, it may slightly enhance performance, but nothing compared to electronic lift controls.

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